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Milo
11-04--2006, 11:18 PM
Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One (2/14/02)

By Liz Stanton, CPE Staff Economist

1. You've Been Psychologically Conditioned To Want a Diamond
The diamond engagement ring is a 63-year-old invention of N.W.Ayer advertising agency. The De Beers diamond cartel contracted N.W.Ayer to create a demand for what are, essentially, useless hunks of rock.

2. Diamonds are Priced Well Above Their Value
The De Beers cartel has systematically held diamond prices at levels far greater than their abundance would generate under anything even remotely resembling perfect competition. All diamonds not already under its control are bought by the cartel, and then the De Beers cartel carefully managed world diamond supply in order to keep prices steadily high.

3. Diamonds Have No Resale or Investment Value
Any diamond that you buy or receive will indeed be yours forever: De Beers’ advertising deliberately brain-washed women not to sell; the steady price is a tool to prevent speculation in diamonds; and no dealer will buy a diamond from you. You can only sell it at a diamond purchasing center or a pawn shop where you will receive a tiny fraction of its original "value."

4. Diamond Miners are Disproportionately Exposed to HIV/AIDS
Many diamond mining camps enforce all-male, no-family rules. Men contract HIV/AIDS from camp sex-workers, while women married to miners have no access to employment, no income outside of their husbands and no bargaining power for negotiating safe sex, and thus are at extremely high risk of contracting HIV.

5. Open-Pit Diamond Mines Pose Environmental Threats
Diamond mines are open pits where salts, heavy minerals, organisms, oil, and chemicals from mining equipment freely leach into ground-water, endangering people in nearby mining camps and villages, as well as downstream plants and animals.

6. Diamond Mine-Owners Violate Indigenous People's Rights
Diamond mines in Australia, Canada, India and many countries in Africa are situated on lands traditionally associated with indigenous peoples. Many of these communities have been displaced, while others remain, often at great cost to their health, livelihoods and traditional cultures.

7. Slave Labourers Cut and Polish Diamonds
More than one-half of the world's diamonds are processed in India where many of the cutters and polishers are bonded child labourers. Bonded children work to pay off the debts of their relatives, often unsuccessfully. When they reach adulthood their debt is passed on to their younger siblings or to their own children.

8. Conflict Diamonds Fund Civil Wars in Africa
There is no reliable way to insure that your diamond was not mined or stolen by government or rebel military forces in order to finance civil conflict. Conflict diamonds are traded either for guns or for cash to pay and feed soldiers.

9. Diamond Wars are Fought Using Child Warriors
Many diamond producing governments and rebel forces use children as soldiers, labourers in military camps, and sex slaves. Child soldiers are given drugs to overcome their fear and reluctance to participate in atrocities.

10. Small Arms Trade is Intimately Related to Diamond Smuggling
Illicit diamonds inflame the clandestine trade of small arms. There are 500 million small arms in the world today which are used to kill 500,000 people annually, the vast majority of whom are non-combatants.


References:

Collier, Paul, "Economic Causes of Civil Conflict and Their Implications for Policy," World Bank, June 15, 2000.

Epstein, Edward Jay, "Have You Ever Tried to Sell a Diamond?", The Atlantic Monthly, February 1982. www.theatlantic.com/issues/82feb/8202diamond1.htm (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/82feb/8202diamond1.htm)

Global Witness, "Conflict Diamonds: Possibilities for the Identification, Certification and Control of Diamonds," A Briefing Document, June 2000, www.globalwitness.org/text/campaigns/diamonds/reports.html (http://www.globalwitness.org/text/campaigns/diamonds/reports.html)


Human Rights Watch/Asia, "The Small Hands of Slavery: Bonded Child Labor In India," Human Rights Watch Children's Rights Project, www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm (http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm) .

Human Rights Watch, "Children’s Rights: Stop the Use of Child Soldiers;" www.hrw.org/campaigns/crp/index.htm (http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/crp/index.htm) .

Kerlin, Katherine "Diamonds Aren’t Forever: Environmental Degradation and Civil War in the Gem Trade," The Environment Magazine, www.emagazine.com/september-october_2001/0901gl_consumer.html (http://www.emagazine.com/september-october_2001/0901gl_consumer.html) .

Le Billon, Philippe, "Angola’s Political Economy of War: The Role of Oil and Diamonds, 1975-2000," African Affairs, (2001), 100, p.55-80.

Mines and Communities, "The Mining Curse: The roles of mining in ‘underdeveloped’ economies," Minewatch Asia Pacific/Nostromo Briefing Paper, February 1999, www.minesandcommunities.org/Country/curse.htm (http://www.minesandcommunities.org/Country/curse.htm) .

Other Facets, Number 1, April 2001; Number 2, June 2001; Number 3, October 2001, www.partnershipafricacanada.org/hsdp/of.html (http://www.partnershipafricacanada.org/hsdp/of.html) .

© 2002 Center for Popular Economics

uma
12-04--2006, 10:51 AM
So instead you can get a man-made diamond in recycled gold:D www.greenkarat.com (http://www.greenkarat.com) sorted!
In dharma,
Uma
x x x

shaun
12-04--2006, 11:28 AM
i'll have to remeber a few of those, might save me a few pennys along the line :)

Milo
12-04--2006, 10:33 PM
So instead you can get a man-made diamond in recycled gold:D www.greenkarat.com (http://www.greenkarat.com) sorted!
In dharma,
Uma
x x x

Hey, good link.

Exedous
12-04--2006, 11:52 PM
Just the same as crystals, that whole marketing crap, that they cure all ills, and give of some "wow" energy...Bollox...Diamonds and crystals, belong in the earth, not on yer finger.

:patch:

pretty polly
13-04--2006, 12:12 AM
Just the same as crystals, that whole marketing crap, that they cure all ills, and give of some "wow" energy...Bollox...Diamonds and crystals, belong in the earth, not on yer finger.

:patch:


hides amethyst bracelet, turquise ring and necklace :whistle:

uma
13-04--2006, 10:00 AM
Hey, good link.

It is isn't it....Its where I think I'm getting me engagement ring from, good people and ethical-what more could you want?

Aunty Al
13-04--2006, 11:15 AM
Just the same as crystals, that whole marketing crap, that they cure all ills, and give of some "wow" energy...
:patch:

Have you never felt the energy then? With some crystals it feels like a mild electric shock. While the way they are gathered is a cause of concern, I truly believe that some crystals are very powerful.

uma
13-04--2006, 12:40 PM
Have you never felt the energy then? With some crystals it feels like a mild electric shock. While the way they are gathered is a cause of concern, I truly believe that some crystals are very powerful.

I think Exedous was making the point that all these 'new-agers' are going around saying how wonderful and healing these crystals are, whilest the crystals themselves are getting blown out of the earth-from where they were intended to stay. It seems a bit of a contradiction to me.
Don't get me wrong, when I was younger I was very very into crystal healing and still am(hell I work in a crystal shop at the weekends!) but I too feel that it is an awful industry, and would far rather people either sourced ethical stones and jems themselves, or left the earth alone.......
Exedous, if this wasn't the point you were trying to make, appologies-just my take on it.

Exedous
13-04--2006, 06:10 PM
I think Exedous was making the point that all these 'new-agers' are going around saying how wonderful and healing these crystals are, whilest the crystals themselves are getting blown out of the earth-from where they were intended to stay. It seems a bit of a contradiction to me.
Don't get me wrong, when I was younger I was very very into crystal healing and still am(hell I work in a crystal shop at the weekends!) but I too feel that it is an awful industry, and would far rather people either sourced ethical stones and jems themselves, or left the earth alone.......
Exedous, if this wasn't the point you were trying to make, appologies-just my take on it.

It was uma..and thankeee, iv found crystals on me walks, the white/clear crystals, i reckon they have more energy, than the one's in the shop.

Hey uma, is it the crystal shop on Cockburn st {pronounced co'burn, as in show} just wondered, i used to buy incence from there.....ho hum...

:patch:

Firinne
13-04--2006, 06:22 PM
It is isn't it....Its where I think I'm getting me engagement ring from, good people and ethical-what more could you want?


A spare $175 for those gorgeous feather earrings? :whistle:

Marlboro
13-04--2006, 07:38 PM
All arguments aside, I think any lady would love a golden ring incrusted with diamonds.

Firinne
13-04--2006, 07:42 PM
All arguments aside, I think any lady would love a golden ring incrusted with diamonds.

I wouldn't say no to a nice subtle white gold ring, but they'd have to be lab produced diamonds or someone would get the sofa for the next month ;)

Firinne
13-04--2006, 07:44 PM
Oooh, now there's a use for annoying ex-boyfriends/that grandmother that always knitted you straitjackets and tried to get you to wear them by pretending they were sweaters ...

http://jewelry.about.com/cs/syntheticdiamonds/a/lifegem_diamond.htm

Problem solved ;)

Coyote
13-04--2006, 08:16 PM
A spare $175 for those gorgeous feather earrings? :whistle:

They are rather nice :)

Exedous
13-04--2006, 08:17 PM
All arguments aside, I think any lady would love a golden ring incrusted with diamonds.

Oh im in such a dirty mood tonight....:harhar: :whistle:

:patch:

Marlboro
14-04--2006, 12:38 AM
Oh im in such a dirty mood tonight....:harhar: :whistle:

:patch:
I know what you're thinking, but that kind of stuff is saved for the Filthy Thoughts forum!

Firinne
14-04--2006, 12:38 AM
Oh im in such a dirty mood tonight....:harhar: :whistle:

:patch:

Exedous, get your coat ...

Exedous
14-04--2006, 12:44 AM
Exedous, get your coat ...
One dirty line, and iv pulled.....:whistle:

:patch:

Firinne
14-04--2006, 12:46 AM
One dirty line, and iv pulled.....:whistle:

:patch:

Been pulled you mean, out of the forum and into the naughty corner.
Now, 100 lines - I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes .. there's a good boy :D

Exedous
14-04--2006, 01:05 AM
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes
I shall not crack abysmal off topic jokes

:patch:

Firinne
14-04--2006, 01:07 AM
*rolls eyes*

Not on the thread you muppet!

Now, find us all some nice shiny jewellery to get back on topic with and we might forgive you :harhar:

Exedous
14-04--2006, 01:19 AM
clickey here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.strawberrytoppings.co.uk/jewellrey%2520small%2520pics/Crystal%2520set%2520small.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.strawberrytoppings.co.uk/jewellrey.htm&h=127&w=142&sz=18&tbnid=lirCcX7oRM9tfM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=88&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrystal%2Bjewellrey%26svnum %3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG) clickey here (http://www.aiis.com.au/NZ%20AIIS/images/PH%20water%20crystals.jpg)

Shinny happy thinngys

:patch:

Marlboro
14-04--2006, 04:27 AM
Diamonds and sex jokes are a girl's best friend.

miszt
14-04--2006, 04:39 AM
1. You've Been Psychologically Conditioned To Want a Diamond
The diamond engagement ring is a 63-year-old invention of N.W.Ayer advertising agency. The De Beers diamond cartel contracted N.W.Ayer to create a demand for what are, essentially, useless hunks of rock.

2. Diamonds are Priced Well Above Their Value
The De Beers cartel has systematically held diamond prices at levels far greater than their abundance would generate under anything even remotely resembling perfect competition. All diamonds not already under its control are bought by the cartel, and then the De Beers cartel carefully managed world diamond supply in order to keep prices steadily high.

3. Diamonds Have No Resale or Investment Value
Any diamond that you buy or receive will indeed be yours forever: De Beers’ advertising deliberately brain-washed women not to sell; the steady price is a tool to prevent speculation in diamonds; and no dealer will buy a diamond from you. You can only sell it at a diamond purchasing center or a pawn shop where you will receive a tiny fraction of its original "value."

4. Diamond Miners are Disproportionately Exposed to HIV/AIDS
Many diamond mining camps enforce all-male, no-family rules. Men contract HIV/AIDS from camp sex-workers, while women married to miners have no access to employment, no income outside of their husbands and no bargaining power for negotiating safe sex, and thus are at extremely high risk of contracting HIV.

Total load of bollox.

Diamonds are the hardest substance known to man, and infact they are used EXTENTIVLY in construction, for eg, the channel tunnel was dug using a diamond headed drill!

The whole point of diamons being expensive is because they last forever and are relativly rare, say compared to copper or quartz

all this crap about being a 63 year old invention?! I wish people would do real research instead of just reading random conspiracy theories of the internet and then writing as if they are fact!!! (not you Milo, whoever wrote the original artical)

Diamonds have been used for thouasands of years as a symbol of wealth/fortune/power etc

not the best source in the world, but definitly more factual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond

Now people wana link Diamonds and AIDS? ffs, just because you have a load of men together in a mine doesnt mean they are all gona shag one anohther, ffs

Having siad all that, Diamonds are a source of grief and struggle throughout africa, countries are being torn apart by wars funded by them :(

Coyote
14-04--2006, 07:13 AM
However the Debeers cartel have created the whole modern image of "if you love her only a diamond will do". Sphericals.

Firinne
14-04--2006, 09:07 AM
clickey here (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.strawberrytoppings.co.uk/jewellrey%2520small%2520pics/Crystal%2520set%2520small.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.strawberrytoppings.co.uk/jewellrey.htm&h=127&w=142&sz=18&tbnid=lirCcX7oRM9tfM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=88&hl=en&start=3&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcrystal%2Bjewellrey%26svnum %3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG) clickey here (http://www.aiis.com.au/NZ%20AIIS/images/PH%20water%20crystals.jpg)

Shinny happy thinngys

:patch:

I love those water crystal images :)

stuoolong
14-04--2006, 09:19 AM
I know someone whose most treasured posession is a diamond that cost her £6000 plus extra insurance payments. It has no value other than the way it looks on her finger. She's not moved when I point out that my lapis lazuli stone, which is three times bigger, has useful healing properties (I used to use it in reiki practice) and only cost me three quid from a faitrade shop.

miszt
14-04--2006, 01:50 PM
However the Debeers cartel have created the whole modern image of "if you love her only a diamond will do". Sphericals.


Not at all, Diamonds have always been considered objects of desire.



. It has no value other than the way it looks on her finger.

This is true in an entirly superficial way, but as with most things in human life, its not the actual object, but what it represents, £6000 is allot of money, therefore allot of time and work has gone into getting it, thats what it represents imo, espcly if given as an engament ring, you are essentially devoting all your energy and time for as long as it takes to buy it, to that person....

well just a thought :D

matthew
15-04--2006, 11:29 AM
well just a thought :D

Quite a good one... i agree with everything you said .. especialy

''Diamonds are a source of grief and struggle throughout africa, countries are being torn apart by wars funded by them''

conflict diamonds (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/diamond/)

Exedous
18-04--2006, 12:26 AM
Quite a good one... i agree with everything you said .. especialy

''Diamonds are a source of grief and struggle throughout africa, countries are being torn apart by wars funded by them''

conflict diamonds (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/diamond/)
I concur Matthew...

:patch:

Marlboro
18-04--2006, 12:46 AM
Quite a good one... i agree with everything you said .. especialy

''Diamonds are a source of grief and struggle throughout africa, countries are being torn apart by wars funded by them''

conflict diamonds (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/diamond/)
That's why people like diamonds: They like to think that have something beautiful that has caused wars just to be on their finger.

matthew
18-04--2006, 10:05 PM
That's why people like diamonds: They like to think that have something beautiful that has caused wars just to be on their finger.

?:eek:

I think if you went to your local high street.. and did a poll. Most people would not know what grief the illegal trade propogates...what are you on ? :harhar: :whistle:

matthew
18-04--2006, 10:07 PM
I concur Matthew...

:patch:

I knew we would at some point in time :)