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RowanColourful
13-12--2011, 11:07 PM
Apparently the 'first glimpse' of the higgs boson particle.

There been kind of rumours that the higgs boson particle was going to be 'confirmed' in some way by the CERN scientists in an announcement they made today. I guess though, science doesn't often do things like that, and they basically said, so far as I can understand it, that it is very likely that they have probably seen some good evidence of it. Well, I'm really liking that they have at least said that much, even if they don't think they'll have anything fairly conclusive for perhaps another year.

I would genuinely quite like to know about the higges field stuff and if it can be proved. I haven't got my head around it enough to be able to put much faith in my own opinions of it (I don't think it's obvious) and so actual evidence of it would be like 'WOW, really, wow!'


::moyne:

Atomik
14-12--2011, 07:46 AM
I haven't got my head around it enough to be able to put much faith in my own opinions of itYou and half the scientific community ;)

RowanColourful
14-12--2011, 08:25 AM
Haha. Nice to think I'm not that thick, it's generally mind boggling for quite a few people then.

RowanColourful
14-12--2011, 08:26 AM
*goes back to higgs mechanism wiki*

Atomik
14-12--2011, 10:13 AM
Haha. Nice to think I'm not that thick, it's generally mind boggling for quite a few people then.Hell yeah. At the quantum level, some of this stuff is actually impossible to conceptualise. That's why scientists come up with analogies - because it's the only way that people can get a vague idea of what's going on. But no analogies really fit, because the physics is so fundamentally weird that there's simply nothing within our normal perceptions with which you can draw a comparison. :S

Check out wave duality theory if you want a great example of this! :hypno:

julianthegypsy
14-12--2011, 03:05 PM
It all sounds infinitely improbable. I think I need a really Hot cup of tea...

RowanColourful
14-12--2011, 03:26 PM
I will take a look.

Aww Julian (assuming your name is Julian not Bertie?) I would make you a hot cup of tea if I could, #I've just bioled the kettle! Ilove makin' tea.

RowanColourful
14-12--2011, 05:51 PM
OH DEAR GOD WAVE PARTICLE DUALITY IS THAT CRAZY BUNCH OF CRAP (YAY)!
Have briefly been introduced to this by a bit in a Horizon program a while ago but didn't know what it was called or anything. Just some stuff about lines and dots and insane, oxymoronic, contadictory, opposing, nonsensicle, wonderful, brilliant madness. Well, really they just said it can be two things at once, which sounds like madness, but maybe it's just the terms wave and particle that are madness, not the behaviour of said things.

Kezz
14-12--2011, 07:58 PM
They've said they've glimpsed the higgs boson particle to distract everyone from how they broke physics by sending particles faster than light. :insane::p

Also, this popped up in my FB feed t'other day, so I'll leave it here:

A Higgs-Boson walks into a church, the priest says "We don't allow Higgs-Bosons in here.".
The Higgs-Boson says "But without me how can you have mass?"

RowanColourful
14-12--2011, 08:04 PM
Lol. :D

I reckon the worst they will have done is rush an anouncement when they could have left it till they had more certainty because of the attention of the faster than light. I don't care :D

julianthegypsy
14-12--2011, 08:36 PM
I will take a look.

Aww Julian (assuming your name is Julian not Bertie?) I would make you a hot cup of tea if I could, #I've just bioled the kettle! Ilove makin' tea.
Well, as any fule kno, you can't make a succesful infinite improbability drive with luke warm tea, its needs a strong brownian motion generator, viz, a really hot cup of tea!

clash
10-01--2012, 08:15 PM
Indeed, higgs boson it seems was in the nano second after the big bang, horizon did a programme on it last night, looks like they (the scientists) are very close to finding it, or not. What will it mean if they do ? Is it the magic glue that sticks all matter together and does that mean it could all be taken apart, something good may come of it one hopes.

Stardusts Dad
10-01--2012, 09:00 PM
What I still can't get my head around is why they think the Higgs should be there at all - the Standard Model in particle physics shows two nice groups of six particles each - six quarks and six leptons....why should nature allow the Higgs be there and spoil this nice even set of figures....unless of course there are another five waiting to be discovered in the Higgs group - this would fit together in a much nicer pattern.

But on the other hand I could well be talking out of my backside.....:insane:

But then on another hand the group of companies that I work for provides a lot of the equipment being used in these experiments including miles and miles of super conducting copper wire.

jeff
11-01--2012, 02:14 PM
From what they say its the partical that gives everything mast then it goes away , in that case then why dosent everything then fall to bits again ,

Ps . God partical and someones bottom might come into it somewhere

RowanColourful
11-01--2012, 03:28 PM
Yeah I think I need to go back to this, when comprehension is only partial the information is not easilly retrieved from my memory in a straight line, but, as Jeff says people get a bit over the top and start calling it the God partical. It is something about, all the directions and everything work, witht the six somethings, and some other somethings which have a sense of pattern, but why do they have any mass whatsoever? Maybe there is a tiny thing which has the property of mass, or gives the property of mass, or so,ething like that. I do hope there is a readon mass is fundementally in a different set of ideas than the other things, I guess that is what the scientists researching it hope as well :)

Like... Make some damn sense world! ;)

jeff
11-01--2012, 04:06 PM
science is a pain in the arse coz its only fact for the milli second it happens them someone else comes along and says its not that it this , super glue thats what it is , :whistle: sticks stuff you know even particals :thumbup:

Mungo
11-01--2012, 04:34 PM
You gotta admit tho,is pretty dam fascinating isn't it! And all this discovery in our life time too......I just hope the search for a unified theory gets even more complicated,like one of them russian dolls...I can remember reading a story,about a Universe which created organic life to find out what it actually was......and when that organic did actually sort it out,the stars started to go out....

RowanColourful
11-01--2012, 05:21 PM
Oh what is that story, about the 'AC' which is someone's computer, and they make bigger and bigger ones and it just says stuff like 'entropy must increase'. Until the universe has changed totally and everyone's consciouseness has been absorbed into the galactic AC or the universal AC or the super mega massive one or something???

jeff
11-01--2012, 09:23 PM
This Higgs Boson partical , if its the thing that supposed to give everything mass , WHAT happens if they find its opposite ?

RowanColourful
11-01--2012, 09:25 PM
Sounds fun.

jeff
11-01--2012, 09:32 PM
action - reaction ...... good - shit happens

RowanColourful
11-01--2012, 10:08 PM
I dunno, shit just happens, if we see it as good that is just a perk of having human perception and enjoying it :).

jeff
11-01--2012, 10:39 PM
I dunno, shit just happens, if we see it as good that is just a perk of having human perception and enjoying it :).
was just going to put good - bad but that just sounded to negative , so if for every action there is a reaction , so where there is good there can also be bad , and in this day and age , bag normal means a better way of killing things if not us all , sometimes somethings are ment to be left alone , in reality they are pissing about with big bang stuff what if there is a big bang partical a god partical and it only needs one and what if they find it while there doing there science , look what happened with the atom , ha ha ha doom and gloom ......

RowanColourful
12-01--2012, 12:50 PM
Almost went to google to find out about the atom bomb, but I am a rather sensitive person and don't want to ruin this beautiful day depressing myself with too much reality :D (ignorance is sometimes bliss).

clash
12-01--2012, 06:22 PM
From what I can gather from what little info picked up through tv the higgs boson is about the symmetry of matter and anti matter, the conclusions I've drawn is that symmetry is imperfect otherwise we would all look the same as would every flower and tree, there would be no mountains as the world would be a perfect circle.
So at the point of the big bang in that first second "a natural imbalance came into being" basically more matter than anti matter was released this is where the higgs boson is supposedly to have played its hand and its what scientists are looking for, maybe it will tell us why nothing is perfect in the world,
They seem to have it down to a very small scale and the next experiment in the collider will be overloaded with data that will leave no room for doubt as to what made the universe the way it is, or there is no higgs boson and its back to the drawing board and the head scratching begins for alot of well paid people.
Thats my tuppence worth.

jeff
13-01--2012, 10:03 AM
no its all random ....... just like dog pooh :insane: scientists, ha ha ha ha dabblers .....

clash
13-01--2012, 05:40 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Jeff, I should know better.

jeff
13-01--2012, 08:27 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Jeff, I should know better.

Its true mate i seen it on the internet , beside nothing on this bloody planet makes sence :insane:

clash
13-01--2012, 08:56 PM
Its true mate i seen it on the internet , beside nothing on this bloody planet makes sence :insane:

Ha ha thats true, I wonder can we blame the higgs boson for that.:clap:.

jeff
14-01--2012, 12:14 AM
Ha ha thats true, I wonder can we blame the higgs boson for that.:clap:.

Yep blame everthing on the net , the bit that gets me is when they do find this GOD partical , and thats the start of it all , then there is nothing to come , do they all shake hands and go home , or do they then turn it in to a weapon

RowanColourful
14-01--2012, 09:24 AM
Well, they are supposed to spend time finding out a bit more about how everything works, and then try to find away to use their new knowledge to do massive reactions with tiny things to release energy. But someone has probs just forgot to mention it being a great way to make universe destroyin bombs :/

jeff
15-01--2012, 10:55 AM
See the thing is at the end of the day they have no idea what they are doing , thats why its called an experiment , but what happens if they do activate some kind of god partical and set off some chain reaction , do they phone the fire brigade :)

mama bee
15-01--2012, 08:25 PM
See the thing is at the end of the day they have no idea what they are doing , thats why its called an experiment , but what happens if they do activate some kind of god partical and set off some chain reaction , do they phone the fire brigade :)

yes, twice.....just in case the first time they think they might have started a chain reaction and the second time for when they do

i think you should run for PM Jeff......your analytical mind is superb and totally down to earth. I love how you work on the KISS principle.... I'd vote for you!

jeff
15-01--2012, 09:51 PM
yes, twice.....just in case the first time they think they might have started a chain reaction and the second time for when they do

i think you should run for PM Jeff......your analytical mind is superb and totally down to earth. I love how you work on the KISS principle.... I'd vote for you!

Bugger that we will both be PM , you can deal with clever stuff and I will get rid of the idiots and money wasters , NHS , and Schools and greedy banks and bloody Tescos we will sort out first :D

mama bee
15-01--2012, 10:46 PM
Bugger that we will both be PM , you can deal with clever stuff and I will get rid of the idiots and money wasters , NHS , and Schools and greedy banks and bloody Tescos we will sort out first :D

no getting rid of the NHS - my former employer
H goes to a bloody brilliant school (at last)

I'd like to make the bankers cleaners in hospitals and hostels so they can see what real work is about

oh and the slogan is ' co-operative not corporate'

I could be your deputy and stand around in the back ground sporting a big hat

and we is going to get into trouble if we carry on in this vein here cos we is tad off topic flower

jeff
16-01--2012, 09:27 AM
no getting rid of the NHS - my former employer
H goes to a bloody brilliant school (at last)

I'd like to make the bankers cleaners in hospitals and hostels so they can see what real work is about

oh and the slogan is ' co-operative not corporate'

I could be your deputy and stand around in the back ground sporting a big hat

and we is going to get into trouble if we carry on in this vein here cos we is tad off topic flower

what i ment was get rid of the money wasters and grabbers in the NHS and schools , the people who are in it just to make money out of them and have no interest in the hospitals or kids , this is partical science in the big world getting rid of rubbish so we just have clean elements that work together :D

RowanColourful
16-01--2012, 11:05 AM
Well we could sure do with soe smart leaders with a bit of integrity.

mama bee
16-01--2012, 11:16 AM
what i ment was get rid of the money wasters and grabbers in the NHS and schools , the people who are in it just to make money out of them and have no interest in the hospitals or kids , this is partical science in the big world getting rid of rubbish so we just have clean elements that work together :D

clever cover...he he he!

jeff
16-01--2012, 12:35 PM
Thats it the PM is the Higgs Boson Partical , one minute hes there , then gone when the shit hits the fan and theirs a big bang he fu...cks off to some other country on some visit or some thing on tax payers money

mama bee
16-01--2012, 01:25 PM
Thats it the PM is the Higgs Boson Partical , one minute hes there , then gone when the shit hits the fan and theirs a big bang he fu...cks off
:clap:

jeff
18-01--2012, 02:37 PM
See i could do clever stuff with particals all i need is a Dyson to collect some , then i could crash them together by gluing them to the front of cars and crashing them in to each other:D Simpppuuullls

rhythm
19-01--2012, 04:29 AM
What if it's not there, what will they do then :D

julianthegypsy
19-01--2012, 08:02 AM
What if it's not there, what will they do then :D
Well God's not there either, but they still built a huge industry around him. :D

RowanColourful
19-01--2012, 09:17 AM
Well God's not there either, but they still built a huge industry around him. :D


LOL !

clash
19-01--2012, 09:04 PM
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Environment/Pix/columnists/2011/12/13/1323785480312/CMS-experiment-at-the-CER-007.jpgthere it is guys, make what you want of it.

rhythm
19-01--2012, 09:10 PM
Well God's not there either, but they still built a huge industry around him. :D

Somebody will need to establish the Church of the Higgs Boson then, and then spend the next 2000 years crushing scientific opinion, casting away the blasphmers and interfering in state politics :insane:

RowanColourful
19-01--2012, 09:36 PM
Jeff and Mamabee look like they are about to make a start on that :P

Just need someone to stamp out the blasphemers.

clash
19-01--2012, 10:26 PM
The most important scientific discovery since Einsteins theory of relativity, the search for the higgs boson is down to a nano second, some may poo the logic and may yet be proven correct to do so, but im an optimist with my beer glass half full that good will come of this, but a fool such as I.

Dharmamillo
20-01--2012, 09:09 AM
An amusing article on the LHC

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/ (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/)

mama bee
20-01--2012, 10:24 AM
An amusing article on the LHC

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/ (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/man-arrested-at-large-hadron-collider-claims-hes-from-the-future-49305387/)

Hilarious......but, in all fairness.....Police said Mr Cole, who was wearing a bow tie and rather too much tweed for his age, would not reveal his country of origin. "Countries do not exist where I am from. The discovery of the Higgs boson (http://crave.cnet.co.uk/gadgets/0,39029552,49304409,00.htm) led to limitless power, the elimination of poverty and Kit-Kats for everyone. It is a communist chocolate hellhole and I'm here to stop it ever happening."

Mmmm, Mr Cole sounds like a Tory on smack....unless the BBC have really got one of these :tardis:and you know WHO is real!:pp What I want to know is, is it all Kit-Kats or just the regular kind? Personally I'm all in favour of free Kit-Kats for everyone, and I firmly believe that we should have a dairy free gluten free variety too to make sure that we have a fully inclusive give away.


Jeff and Mamabee look like they are about to make a start on that :P

Just need someone to stamp out the blasphemers.

That's a whole new thread.... but see above for one of the policies.

RowanColourful
20-01--2012, 10:50 AM
Lol, dairy free kitkats for all, socialism and equal rights for vegans. What about deep fried ones for the northeners? And sugar free ones? I'll make some up from that vegan mars recipe in the vegan recipe section if you like ?

Mind then someone will be on at me for the environmental impacts of badly managed illegal soya plantations or something . . .

clash
04-07--2012, 06:10 PM
Its there ok the boson, scientists say it explains 4% of the universe the other 96% is dark matter of which this discovery may be the key too understanding,:S.

http://www.theprovince.com/technology/glance+Just+what+Higgs+boson+particle/6883048/story.html

Hibernator
23-10--2012, 12:26 AM
Now we know that it actually exists, can we stop calling it The God Particle? :whistle: