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    Looking in to the past for our future

    Human beings have always been fascinated with the civilisation that preceded it and through the centuries have purposely excavated or just happened across great ruined cities, artefacts of many types and texts of lost languages and peoples.

    Only since the mid to late Victorian era however has archaeology taken on any structured form with notable luminaries like Flinders Petrie and Wallace Budge taking the time to preserve finds and try to build an accurate interpretation of what they discovered and made archaeology a respected profession in its own right. With many ancient finds it is relatively easy to make sense of what has lain for many years forgotten in the ground, or in the case of buildings and cities, buried in shifting sands, swallowed by vegetation or left to fall in to dereliction as they are still easily recognisable in our modern age.

    There are however, certain discoveries that defy all rational explanation and are seemingly impossible with in the age of the find and knowledge we know of the civilisation concerned.Archaeology like science bases its prestige on the premise that humanity as a species always advances both intellectually and technologically as time moves forward and this on the face of it is a perfectly reasonable assumption. Using archaeology as an example, let us hypothesise for a moment and say that there were two people drinking in a pub in London and some calamity befell the earth and everything was obliterated.

    Two thousand years go by and the archaeologist of 4012 CE stumbles upon the remains of the pub and the two skeletons along with fragments of glass and bits of charred wood and rubble. The human remains would be dated and sexed and the glass fragments would be analysed and the assumption could easily be made that these two humans could have been instrumental in brewing or high status glass makers when all they were actually doing before their unfortunate demise was having a drink after a day in the office.

    The point I am making is that because after such a considerable time where erosion, human values, views of the world and how people in the distant past functioned on a day to day basis we as modern society can only ever make a guess on some things that are discovered. The Bronze Age is generally accepted to be around 3200-4000 BCE and the Egyptian Civilisation is thought to have appeared around 5000 BCE mainly as it seems that nothing has been found to predate this time whilst The Sumerian Civilisation is generally accepted to have begun around 4000 BCE and the Harappen peoples of what is now India is also around 4000 BCE (although a number of finds in the recent past may predate 4000 BCE).

    On the face of accepted history the step to major modern civilisation began around this time. All well and good thus far you would think, however, there are increasingly finds being made that make no sense in the context in which they are discovered not to mention staggering achievements like the pyramids on the Giza Plateau in Egypt among others which until recently was the biggest built structure on the planet.

    The one thing that Sumeria, Egypt and India have in common more so than other civilisations of the period now or since are that their system of ‘Gods’ were regularly interacting with mankind on an almost daily basis and seem to be universally thought of as a kind of ‘Super Race’ of beings that came from the stars and unlike what mainstream religion has become, a benevolent or wrathful God that needs solely to be worshipped in order that humanity gets granted some kind of everlasting peace and afterlife. The ‘Gods’ of Egypt, Sumeria and India are described routinely using technology of a type that any military force or Government today can only dream about (as far as we are aware at present anyway).

    There are ‘myths’ and ‘allegorical’ tales of what we understand to be rocket ships, weapons of incredible power and all manner of other technological wonders. The obvious problem with this scenario is that six thousand years ago the mere thought of man describing this type of modern machinery is plainly ridiculous when the height of technology was the bow, and horse drawn chariot and yet we have accurate descriptions of what appear to be advanced machines and weaponry and in the case of the Indian Mahabharata a full blown nuclear conflict seems to have taken place at some point! How can this be possible?

    Whilst it is common to place our thought patterns or values on what we in our age and world view consider right and moral I suggest that it is fundamentally incorrect to make these assumptions about past civilisations including those that may originate or originated in other parts of our galaxy or universe. I include alien civilisations because it is generally accepted in our scientific era that we are most likely not the only life forms in the universe that we consider to be on a par or to exceed our current capabilities. On that basis it is natural to accept that some may have been around for considerably longer than human beings.

    On that premise let’s say that approximately 10,000 BCE a group of lets call them ‘Advanced explorers’ arrived in our Solar system and set about categorising its age, chemical make up, mineral content, potential life forms etc, much as we would do ourselves and assuming the thought processes were similar to ours they would be working towards the advancement of their own species. In 10,000 BCE humanity was still relatively speaking in its early stages and much of humanity still led a nomadic existence and lived hand to mouth whilst others were beginning to settle down and grouping together in communities.

    It was probably the groups that settled down and started rudimentary farming and erecting small villages that found themselves with enough time on their hands to seriously start wondering why they were here, why they suddenly died of illnesses and generally pondered on the wonders of their complex environment. To explain the unexplainable, seasons, sun rises, extreme weather and the like, external forces were created, Gods, Supreme Beings, Spirit’s of forefathers were created to make unknown natural events easily digestible.

    So a small group of our tribesmen are out hunting one day and they come across some of our 'Advanced explorers' in the middle of collecting samples of flora and fauna. To the tribesmen the 'Advanced explorers' would seem fantastical whilst the other way around we might be looked at with curiosity, much as we do with strange animals encountered today in zoos. Let's assume that some kind of communication attempt takes place and our 'Advanced explorers' try to explain where they originate from.

    From the one or all of the tribesmen's viewpoint it could easily appear that these beings were some kind of 'Spirit or Supreme Being'. After the encounter and upon returning to the village they would then try to explain what they had seen to their peers. All would probably walk away with something different from this, some would be scared and some would wonder if a God had come to visit but everyone would have their own take on what had occurred in the same way that a traffic accident can have numerous interpretations depending on your vantage point and involvement. So that year the harvest happens to be particularly good and the tribesmen might easily associate their fortuitous meeting earlier in the year with a good harvest and it is easy to see how a possible chance event like that could snowball in to something a lot bigger.

    From the viewpoint of the 'Advanced explorer' Earth might may have been the first planet that they'd come across with life in various stages of advancement and decided to keep an eye on how we progressed through the centuries. Modern human beings have a number of 'thought errors' that stop them thinking 'outside the box' for want of a better term.

    In our age of super computers, economies, knowledge of science and medicine and power over all other life on the planet we seem to think we know it all and should anyone experience an event, UFO, ghost or other anomaly especially where science is concerned they are generally considered delusional or misguided unless it can be poked with a metaphorical stick. Interestingly, in many if not all of the film and TV versions of man coming in to contact with alien intelligence whether malicious of benign we always portray human beings in two distinct camps, those in power or clandestine organisations who want to destroy and control and those who want to understand why and how the visit/invasion occurred.

    It is interesting that few of us just accept that other life forms or civilisations exist naturally and those of us that think like this seem to have avoided the 'religion and social conditioning trap'. Logically, using our perspective we would be the better people to approach in the first instance due to the fact that we have no agenda except knowledge as to why, how and what for.

    Why then does this seem not to happen? Is it possible that contact was made in the distant past and those that were initially contacted by chance or planning have seen fit to withhold their knowledge and just past it down through time to those they thought could be trusted to maintain the knowledge and if so have they convinced the 'Advanced explorers' that this is the best course of action for humanity?

    As our global civilisation stands today very few people actually hold any real power over the planet and its inhabitants. The illusion that politicians in Governments around the world are in charge is a misconception in my view. If one looks seriously behind the scenes of everyday life around the world it does not take long to see that ultimate power is held by very few people hardly any of whom have a high profile.

    There are many conspiratorial views on who these individuals are, including the Rothschild's, the secretive Bilderburger group or the common favourite for all things secret The Illuminati. I think it is safe to say and it has been shown to be true countless times that there is 'no smoke without fire' as the saying goes, and whether or not it is any of the above mentioned groups or some other group operating in the shadows there is very definitely 'someone in control' out there. It is easy to see how a global population could be controlled relatively easily in the modern world with the mass media that is now part of everyday life and how it could be drip fed and 'given' opinions.

    For the conspiratorially minded it would seem that in 2012 more than any other year there is an increasing number of 'documentaries' and movies all alluding to contact and cover ups involving civilisations not from Earth. As Dr Steven Greer M.D states in the brilliant book 'Disclosure' one of the biggest hurdles in any admission from authorities would be to admit that they had been keeping this vast secret for at least fifty years if not much longer.

    I would like to think the population of the planet would be outraged that a small number of people have controlled their lives for so long and it would hopefully lead to a complete rethink on how decisions that affect all of humanity are made and an end to being treated like children.
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    paragraphs man! Paragraphs!!!!
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    I doubt many people would scale the sheer cliff of text without them. Help those hippies with bloodshot eyes!
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    Sorry it just poured out my head and I forgot.
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    Interesting. I am going to copy it and paste into wordpad and try to read it tomorrow. Break it up into readable chunks and read it.

    Change the font to Trebuchet MS and set the size to 13, so that it is nice and easy to read in the manageable blocks of text.
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    "Looking in to the past for our future"
    - Seems to me that one only has to look within our own ages of life experiences to realise that this is a given

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    I have edited this down into bite size chunks - not necessarily accurate paragraphs as I haven't yet read it, but hopefully it'll help people a little.
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    Thanks for the 'Groovies guys. As you might guess I have a huge interest in all things ancient history, why we are here and how we (I'm hesitant to say) progress in the way we do as a species.
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    Ancient history is pretty fascinating stuff, even if some of it sounds far out to start with. Personally I think humankind's 'civilised' history goes back to before the last Glacial Period, and much of the physical evidence was destroyed and buried when the glaciers came South, followed later by huge flooding and some geological changes.
    The more recent bit that we know of, the Stone Age, Bronze Age, etc, was just the signs of humanity crawling back to something resembling what had been before.
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    Oddaspie... well put ...I totally agree.
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    I'm glad Autumnbelle commented as I didn't read it the first time through.

    Some interesting stuff, I agree with a lot of it. I wonder if those explorers were to come back today whether they would be disappointed at the mess we have made of the planet. Equally if we were being controlled by a single group of people I wonder why they are not more interested in the damage being done. A small group implies a long term interest rather than short term goals which it seems to be from most people in charge.

    It seems that Oddaspie hasn't been back in a while, perhaps the illuminati read this & spirited him off...

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    I'm glad Autumnbelle commented as I didn't read it the first time through.

    Some interesting stuff, I agree with a lot of it. I wonder if those explorers were to come back today whether they would be disappointed at the mess we have made of the planet. Equally if we were being controlled by a single group of people I wonder why they are not more interested in the damage being done. A small group implies a long term interest rather than short term goals which it seems to be from most people in charge.

    It seems that Oddaspie hasn't been back in a while, perhaps the illuminati read this & spirited him off...

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    I often think that too. If the people in control have a long term plan why are they not taking better care of this planet?? I think there is a lot more than we realise going on and we just get a few pieces of the jigsaw. Some truth some almost but not quite truth and some down right fabrication. I do believe a lot is hidden from public though to avoid mass reaction.
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    Ohh a fine opportunity to post this:

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    Brilliant Friedonion, - love it! lol
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    Hey,

    Thanks for the comments, don't get as much free time as I'd like as work and caring for my partner take up most of it.Must try harder.

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    No probs Oddaspie, good to know you're not off being probed by aliens.
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    Someone's been watching way too much Stargate SG1....

    Seriously though, an interesting read. Far more eloquently put than I could have done, but covering pretty much all the bases I have thought for a long time.
    I'm not a religious person, somewhat spiritual perhaps, but generally open-minded about most things in that I believe all things have a common starting point, and in the case of religion it comes in the need to explain the unexplainable in a way to satisfy human curiosity whilst asserting a certain level of control. The jury is still out on whether this is a positive or negative thing, but my personal belief is that on an individual basis there is nothing wrong with a 'focal point' in which to live your life. The problem comes when it moves towards a collective belief and the need for 'control' and 'organisation' or the need to 'recruit' raises it's head.
    Maybe this is the reason for so many past failed civilisations?
    It's no use shouting about who's to blame, when all that counts is how to change...

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    I must be honest I do like the Stargate theory and the maths supports it somewhat. As we find out more and more the likelihood increases I think. Totally agree with you view.

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    You are correct all the way through. All I can say is, don't let it consume you.
    I have been studying the enslavement of the human race for many years now and i am agreement with you here.
    I'm not sure how deep down the rabbit hole you are and I don't think it matters either way, because, it goes a lot further than we think.

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    Not sure about the enslavement but there are definitely many anomalies throughout human history and we are most certainly not told everything and as yet have not found the 'missing link' in archeology for a number of things, publically anyway. Also it would be very arrogant to assume that in a massive universe like ours we are the only life. Equally, theoretical (at present) physics allows for many other options.
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    Do you think we will ever know what is really going on?

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    The conspiracy theorist in me suspects there are people who do know. Having said that, I would like to think that somewhere out there is the archaeological find that would change everything and it would be shared for the greater good but then that could lessen any control that is currently place.

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    I was too scared to click on 'reply with quote'

    However:

    The point I am making is that because after such a considerable time where erosion, human values, views of the world and how people in the distant past functioned on a day to day basis we as modern society can only ever make a guess on some things that are discovered. The Bronze Age is generally accepted to be around 3200-4000 BCE and the Egyptian Civilisation is thought to have appeared around 5000 BCE mainly as it seems that nothing has been found to predate this time whilst The Sumerian Civilisation is generally accepted to have begun around 4000 BCE and the Harappen peoples of what is now India is also around 4000 BCE (although a number of finds in the recent past may predate 4000 BCE).

    On the face of accepted history the step to major modern civilisation began around this time. All well and good thus far you would think, however, there are increasingly finds being made that make no sense in the context in which they are discovered not to mention staggering achievements like the pyramids on the Giza Plateau in Egypt among others which until recently was the biggest built structure on the planet.

    We just had to learn the history of Medical Science - jolly stuff. I will forever know what the Ancient Egyptians called the stupid evil spirits that they thought caused disease by blocking the 42 bodily tubes, because I blanked it in the exam. From the stone age to the times of the Greeks and Romans, through the dark ages and the Renaissance all the way up through the development of the first vaccination to DNA.

    Thanks to things like the Ebres papyrus, De materia medica and De Humani Corporis Fabrica we actually know quite a lot about how medicine developed. We know that up until the Renaissance and even then there was only one Medical School in Padua which was not dominated by the church, who forbade the dissection of humans; in Padua the Mayor had control of the school and dissection of criminal corpses was allowed. Prior to this even Galen, Aristotle and Hippocrates believed in balancing the four humours. The Egyptians, knew what the organs looked like due to mummification but the link was never made because the embalmers weren't physicians.
    We actually have quite a lot of information on ancient civilizations, certainly with respect to medicine. Well, our Uni managed to accumulate a whole lever arch file worth of notes relating to it and a 100 question exam. Mind you they might have just made it all up for fun.
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    Regards the unexplained stuff, sorry, somewhere between Paul's view and Oddaspie.

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    Finally got round to reading this thread and I did enjoy it.

    Personally, my only differing view is that the world really is just as chaotic as it seems to be with perhaps lots of ego among those who have some eminence. Also, when anything happens in this world someone has to gain from it being done (the follow the money principle and vested interest (even philanthropy gives influence or power)).

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    all past civilisations have collapsed, this one will too.
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