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    Originally Posted by Paul
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    Have you considered monetising your blog?

    By that I mean an ebay affiliates link similar to the one on here, a google adsense campaign, amazon affiliates shop links and so on - they all add up. So, for instance ... add an affiliate link to one of the books you recommend, and if someone buys it through Amazon you get a little reward.

    Google will probably be the best money spinner, but the reason we don't have it on here anymore is because we kept falling foul of their adult content rules.

    Might be worth getting Google Analytics installed just so you can see what traffic you're getting.
    This can definitely work. If you happen to have a website and enough traffic the monetising a blog or website could earn you that kind of money.

    If you are starting from scratch and learning your way it might take 6 months or more to develop your content and get visitors depending on how popular your site is you might make 500 a year?

    All sites are different and some might be worth more than others but if don't have 10000's of uniques users in a month . you are unlikely to make much more than 10 a month.

    I once found a popular type of site and made my own site based on this niche. It worked out well for a while but for quite a few reasons it didn't last for more than six months. But during that time things went from 10 a month to 50 to 320 and up a month. Bear in mind the site had 2m unique visitors a month after 6 months

    I've never been able to replicate this with a new website. I've never been able to rediscover that amount of traffic by design since. But I remain hopeful and do intend to keep experimenting and find it again one day!

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    Udemy is another idea.


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    It will take a little effort, but you can use your specialist knowledge to teach other people - you'll need to create course material, video tutorials, mp3 downloads etc. but once done people (theoretically) pay to take your course and the money starts dripping in.
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    I work for a major bookie. I disagree with the above as money making advice. And note your a affiliate URL.

    Gambling is a way to lose not make money.

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    I used to promote an on-line casino, and I made some good money sometimes. You get a percentage of the losses made by people you introduce - 25% in my case. They spend a lot of money on psychologists to persuade people to bet more, and some losses were quite horrendous. You need to be careful when dealing with casinos, and not gamble. There seem to be 3 ways to make money from casinos.

    1. Own the casino
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    2. Be an affiliate and promote them, but don't gamble with your earnings.
    3. Be a house poker player, and bet with the casinos money.

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    Originally Posted by Paul
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    Udemy is another idea.


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    It will take a little effort, but you can use your specialist knowledge to teach other people - you'll need to create course material, video tutorials, mp3 downloads etc. but once done people (theoretically) pay to take your course and the money starts dripping in.
    I like this idea. I am studying with udemy at the moment and I do have some skills that would be sell-able on such a site.
    I have been looking into what is involved and I might start putting together a a series of short courses
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    There isn't a course on campervan conversion.
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    After reading this thread my plans to get harp lessons and busk seem decidedly unambitious...
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    Originally Posted by Okifolki
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    After reading this thread my plans to get harp lessons and busk seem decidedly unambitious...
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    I think it sounds really cool :-)
    Smile - It'll make them nervous.
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    Originally Posted by schatje
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    I work for a major bookie. I disagree with the above as money making advice. And note your a affiliate URL.

    Gambling is a way to lose not make money.
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    The old adage applies: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

    Gambling at best is a bit of casual entertainment, a bit of a thrill on top of something you may already like (footy / horses / boxing).
    Like any entertainment there is often a cost in loved, which is fine; as long as you know where to draw the line.

    But it's seriously scary business when it draws people in. I know someone who recently lost his house from it :/
    nobody even had any idea he was gambling.


    Back on topic, do many people work in a famine and feast fashion?

    I know some folk who do the festival scene in summer and that's their lot for the year.
    Alternativey, I know folk who work full time the 6 months of crap weather and then enjoy the rest.
    Not typically linked to high earnings, but not a seemingly bad overall model if your overheads are low.
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    Originally Posted by DangerMoose
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    Back on topic, do many people work in a famine and feast fashion?
    I gave up shaving for a few months, and it was suggested that I got a job as Father Christmas.
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    I used to know a professional Father Christmas. He seemed to spend most of the year in the pub or the bookies, and he rode a moped not a reindeer.
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    Originally Posted by DangerMoose
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    The old adage applies: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.

    Gambling at best is a bit of casual entertainment, a bit of a thrill on top of something you may already like (footy / horses / boxing).
    Like any entertainment there is often a cost in loved, which is fine; as long as you know where to draw the line.

    But it's seriously scary business when it draws people in. I know someone who recently lost his house from it :/
    nobody even had any idea he was gambling.


    Back on topic, do many people work in a famine and feast fashion?

    I know some folk who do the festival scene in summer and that's their lot for the year.
    Alternativey, I know folk who work full time the 6 months of crap weather and then enjoy the rest.
    Not typically linked to high earnings, but not a seemingly bad overall model if your overheads are low.
    Our business can be all or nothing which is why I am looking for additional streams of income. I kind of enjoy my current business but I no longer want it to be my only revenue stream. Better to have multiple streams of income so if one is performing badly you are not left with no money.

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    I clean windows, money is good, pretty flexible but it is hard graft, A younger man could earn 200 a day in London suburbs
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    often thought about giving up the trees and doing this,rekon turn over less but more profitable how did you go about building up a round Bernie? canvassing,leafleting etc? cheers mark

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    Originally Posted by treeboy
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    often thought about giving up the trees and doing this,rekon turn over less but more profitable how did you go about building up a round Bernie? canvassing,leafleting etc? cheers mark
    We are on our 2nd window cleaner at this house, the first one was a takeaway delivery bloke who asked us if we had anybody doing the windows, as we didn't at the time he got the gig, but only ever turned up once lol, the present guy just rolled up one day and also asked if we had one, again we didn't so he now does it.
    He asked about my place of work, so I told him of what I knew and that it would probably take him a full day and that the present guy charges 300 per visit, so thinking about it he said that realistically he would have to offer to do the job for 250, which he was happy about as he earns that most days. The only reason he never bid for it was I mentioned he would have to have up to date Public Liability Insurances etc to get on our site .... he never mentioned it again hahaha.
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    yep I think that's the craic,loads of people doing jobs like window cleaning or grass cutting do it for a few months and the disappear never to be seen again! like most things its hard to get reliable people
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    Originally Posted by treeboy
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    yep I think that's the craic,loads of people doing jobs like window cleaning or grass cutting do it for a few months and the disappear never to be seen again! like most things its hard to get reliable people
    In my experience its impossible to get anyone reliable or otherwise.
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    I am a free-lance journalist. It's get's harder and harder now, when everyone can be a blogger, but I've been doing it for so many years that I got some reputation.

    I am currently writing a monthly column for someone, I got almost what I got for a week of working in the office. So three more like that and I am a free man... But while writing column is easly (it takes me just few hours usually), most journalism that pays well is some proper stuff. So you need to be an expert in the field first, then spend days on research and then double check all facts and so on... I did this for some time, but it was Slovakian money (which was very good for Slovakia, but not that good if you lived in the UK)... But, again, if I would be able to quit my day job, I could do it as well, this, that column, something else on the side, and I would be able to carry on.

    I got some debt, but as soon as this is paid, I am going to try survive on my freelancing only. (Unless i find something else I really enjoy first).
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    Originally Posted by treeboy
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    often thought about giving up the trees and doing this,rekon turn over less but more profitable how did you go about building up a round Bernie? canvassing,leafleting etc? cheers mark
    Yes its good and very good for flexibility. If you are seriously interested I will give you all the help you need
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    Interesting - the thread title is about making a living outside the system. However, most of the replies seem to be about making money as part of the system. You can be self-employed ( and much happier), but you are still part of the sytem.

    The system is corrupt, and tries to force people into debt slavery. It needs to be changed, but you can't change it by ignoring it.
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    Originally Posted by treeboy
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    yep I think that's the craic,loads of people doing jobs like window cleaning or grass cutting do it for a few months and the disappear never to be seen again! like most things its hard to get reliable people
    There are a lot of chancers, and cowboys. People just wanting to earn off the radar because they are on benefits, beer money cleaners who only work till the pubs open etc. There are now though a growing army of career window cleaners and you can earn very good money if you want to while still maintaining your free spirit.

    I've been cleaning some of my customers for ten years now
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    Originally Posted by EnglishLens
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    Interesting - the thread title is about making a living outside the system. However, most of the replies seem to be about making money as part of the system. You can be self-employed ( and much happier), but you are still part of the sytem.

    The system is corrupt, and tries to force people into debt slavery. It needs to be changed, but you can't change it by ignoring it.
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    Window cleaning is outside the system as far as I'm concerned. I work when I want, I work if I want, I choose my customers because I drop the ones I don't like. I can work anywhere and all I have to do is knock on doors to get work if I want more.
    There is endless opportunity for wombling plus, this time of year, free fruit etc. I have been given cars, lawnmowers, tools, gas cylinders
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    Originally Posted by EnglishLens
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    The system is corrupt, and tries to force people into debt slavery. It needs to be changed, but you can't change it by ignoring it.
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    You can't. But you won't achieve much by taking it head on all by yourself as well...

    For me "to be outside the system" means to be free. If you could use some elements of the system to achieve that - why not?
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    thanks Bernie I may well be in touch,im often working on the edge of your patch cheers mark

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    Originally Posted by EnglishLens
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    Interesting - the thread title is about making a living outside the system. However, most of the replies seem to be about making money as part of the system. You can be self-employed ( and much happier), but you are still part of the sytem.

    The system is corrupt, and tries to force people into debt slavery. It needs to be changed, but you can't change it by ignoring it.
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    It's not actually been defined on this thread as to what we mean by 'the system', but I presume what you may mean is making money that is kept outside of any sort of governance perhaps? Outside of the system so far that you aren't paying tax on that income?

    In that case, self employed people can decide to be inside or outside the system. There are risks of course, but that is their choice, but being self employed can easily be outside of the system (as you potentially define it).

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