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    debunking 9/11 conspiracies

    some interesting reading courtesy of Stephen Knight ( Godless Spellchecker blog and podcast ) on the 13th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks


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    i'm not really bothered about 9/11 that's ancient history now, we have new threats to think about.
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    Hagrid are you a member of Starfleet? Your idea of ancient history makes me wonder what speed you roll at!

    The dark ages wasn't WW11 because of the blackout campaign.

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    Originally Posted by alices wonderland
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    Hagrid are you a member of Starfleet? Your idea of ancient history makes me wonder what speed you roll at!

    The dark ages wasn't WW11 because of the blackout campaign.
    9/11 was 15 years ago, a lot has happened since then, and i'm more concerned about threats to come than something that happened in 2001.
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    Mmm my dad told me "only be afraid of the living"
    I think 9/11 set seeds to germinate in the near and distant future.
    We know not of the terrors man will unfold. We could look to space for the next Armageddon. But sadly it most likely will be a car accident that ends your day or something already changed within your own body. But to see 15 years ago as ancient history is to make light of any lessons to learn. History, Yes. There's people out there who hate us and they don't even know us or know that we even exist, but daily their hatred grows.
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    maybe, but i'm watching for a new threat to unfold, not one that has happened and is now just part of history.
    remember it and learn from it yes, but don't dwell on it or we may miss something that has yet to happen.
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    The present threats we face are entirely because of what happened long before 9/11.....9/11 was one of many retaliatory terrorist strikes at western powers who have been interfering in middle eastern arab affairs for decades...non of it is an old or new threat its all related.To fail to understand thst is bizarre and rediculous.
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    decades? heck, this goes way back before that, this is just the modern episode, it goes back to the original crusades in 1100.
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    yes it does,the recent flare in troubles go bsck to the early 20th century. over oil and control of it.. if you csn see the troubles go back to 1100( actually they go bsck a lot further..) .why do you dismiss something that happened 15 years ago as irrelevant and past history...everything has cause and effect in historical terms and what happens now is mostly due to whats happened in the past.
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    this most recent episode goes back to the original Desert Storm when US and British troops were stationed in Kuwait, this is what started Bin Laden off on his murderous escapades, before that he was an arab playboy.
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    The US and Brits were only there becsuse thry created saddam hussein to keep Iran under control..but he got out of his csge and out of control.
    The US funded the Mujarhideen in Afghanistan agsinst the Russisns in the 80's .Bin Laden was one of their leaders who fought with US CIA help and where sl qaeda was formed. to fight the Russisns.When the Russians left they turned their attention elsewhereThe US hss played everyone off sgsinst esch other since ww2 thats why the likes of sl qaeda once armed to the teeth by them kicked off against them..
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    yes I agree about the US, they have used everybody for their own ends.
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    And theyre still doing funding both sides of the conflict in Yemen Syria Egypt Libya and others to ensure puppets favorable to washington get into power or stay in power there.The phoney war against terrorism has only made the arms industry richer and brewed a whole new bunch of angry new terrorists,non of us will be any safer than we were before 9/11.As recent events have shown its just made us more vulnerable especially in soft targets we cant be protected in.So in the end we'll all be subject to intrusive surveillance and restrictions to our freedom because of their inept meddling in other countries affairs.
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    Originally Posted by NomadicRT
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    And theyre still doing funding both sides of the conflict in Yemen Syria Egypt Libya and others to ensure puppets favorable to washington get into power or stay in power there.The phoney war against terrorism has only made the arms industry richer and brewed a whole new bunch of angry new terrorists,non of us will be any safer than we were before 9/11.As recent events have shown its just made us more vulnerable especially in soft targets we cant be protected in.So in the end we'll all be subject to intrusive surveillance and restrictions to our freedom because of their inept meddling in other countries affairs.
    for once we agree!.
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    Originally Posted by NomadicRT
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    The present threats we face are entirely because of what happened long before 9/11.....9/11 was one of many retaliatory terrorist strikes at western powers who have been interfering in middle eastern arab affairs for decades...non of it is an old or new threat its all related.To fail to understand thst is bizarre and rediculous.

    Still ****ing sick though, 9/11 and none of it was the West's fault, just that Bin Laden was a murdering b*****d, who is thankfully now dead.

    I doubt he carried out the attacks cause of Western meddling, he just didn't like us and our values.

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    Originally Posted by NomadicRT
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    And theyre still doing funding both sides of the conflict in Yemen Syria Egypt Libya and others to ensure puppets favorable to washington get into power or stay in power there.The phoney war against terrorism has only made the arms industry richer and brewed a whole new bunch of angry new terrorists,non of us will be any safer than we were before 9/11.As recent events have shown its just made us more vulnerable especially in soft targets we cant be protected in.So in the end we'll all be subject to intrusive surveillance and restrictions to our freedom because of their inept meddling in other countries affairs.
    We are subject to intrusive surveillance as thetechnology is there and it pays to use it. If it did not turn a profit or protect profits why would any governmentwaste money on it? As for bankrollingsides in the hope that they will look on Washington favourably, what would yourather them do, fund the side that wants to destroy the West

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    Originally Posted by hagrid
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    this most recent episode goes back to the original Desert Storm when US and British troops were stationed in Kuwait, this is what started Bin Laden off on his murderous escapades, before that he was an arab playboy.
    So Bin Laden was a fan of Saddam and was angry at the West for kicking him out of Kuwait? His anger grew and grew and culminated in 9/11, because of the first Gulf War?

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    Originally Posted by ayami
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    Still ****ing sick though, 9/11 and none of it was the West's fault, just that Bin Laden was a murdering b*****d, who is thankfully now dead.

    I doubt he carried out the attacks cause of Western meddling, he just didn't like us and our values.
    I never said it wasnt sick and despicable or that Bin Laden wssnt a bastard but he chose to hit the US becsuse their/our western values dont fit those of Islamic fundamentalism.
    The west has been trying to westrrnise moslem and communist countries for decades by force and regime change when necessary so it should be no great surprise when people get pissed off and retaliate.Look in the history books how the west has deposed elected leaders in the middle east drawn up arbitrary borders and armed and funded despotic dictatorships and regimes in favor of washington and London...youll find there the answers to why the middle east is such a brewing cauldron of hate and resentment towards the west.
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    Originally Posted by ayami
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    We are subject to intrusive surveillance as thetechnology is there and it pays to use it. If it did not turn a profit or protect profits why would any governmentwaste money on it? As for bankrollingsides in the hope that they will look on Washington favourably, what would yourather them do, fund the side that wants to destroy the West
    Governments alwsys need validatory excuses to use surveillance because theyre paranoid with fear even of their own voters and need to keep control.Imaginary or real enemies give them the excuse to ignore laws protecting freedom or bring new ones in further curtailing them. Wsshington has alwsys funded and played off opposing sides and terrorists or guerilla orgs to suit its own agenda not necessarily the wests, just its own...theyve done so in latin america the middle east and asia...in drives against left or communist governments and now their new enemy is islam.

    Theyre (US )not terribly bothered about western values being under threat(they have non) theyre just interested in propagating conditions that benefit the huge military industrial complex they have and their corporate interests...you seriously think they give a shit about the rest of the west or us ordinary folk who wsnt a quiet normal life.
    If they stopped poking at hornets nests wed all be a lot safer.Islamic fundamentalists have come to the fore because the west wont leave them to live their own lifestyle so in their view the only way to combat it is to eradicate anything not islamic....all of which suits the US agenda of a great white christian crusade against islam...$$$$$$$$$$
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    Originally Posted by NomadicRT
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    Governments alwsys needvalid excuses to use surveillance because theyre paranoid and need to keep.control.Imaginary or real enemies give them the excuse to ignore laws protecting freedom or bring new ones in further curtsiling them.Wsshington has alwsys fundef and played off sudes to duit its own agenda not necesssrily the wests just its own...theyve done so in latin america the middle east and asia...in drives against left or communist governments and now their new enemy is islam..Theyre not terribly.bothered about westrrn values being under threst theyre just interedted in propagating conditions that benefit the huge military industrial complex they have and their corporate interests...you seriously.think they give a shit about the rest of the west or us ordinary folk who wsnt a quiet normal life.

    Well if they are watching us now, when are they coming to lock us up?
    If they have valid reasons and the enemies are real then what is the problem?
    As for the survelliance society you just watch youtube! Everyone is filming everyone now and exposing them online.
    Maybe they don't give a shit about the normal folk but you think the commissars and Iman's care either? You think we lack freedom in the West, try living in North Korea or Iran.
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    Originally Posted by NomadicRT
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    I never said it wasnt sick and despicable or that Bin Laden wssnt a bastard but he chose to hit the US becsuse their/our western values dont fit those of Islamic fundamentslism.The west has been trying to westrrnise moslem and communist countries fir decades by force if necessary so it should be no great surprise when people get pissed off and retaliate.
    Communists tried to spread communism around the globe and Muslim countries tried to expand Islamic capitalism too. By force if necessary. Should we be pissed off too and retaliate against both?

    Though earlier you did mention that the West actaully helped the Islamic fundies fight against the USSR...so, which one is it?

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    Originally Posted by ayami
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    Well if they are watching us now, when are they coming to lock us up?
    If they have valid reasons and the enemies are real then what is the problem?
    As for the survelliance society you just watch youtube! Everyone is filming everyone now and exposing them online.
    Maybe they don't give a shit about the normal folk but you think the commissars and Iman's care either? You think we lack freedom in the West, try living in North Korea or Iran.
    What people do with their own surveillance or data is their own choice...in an undemocatic west it might well come back and bite them.But it is their choice thryre not being watched and listened to every second and their dsta ending up in a supercomputer in texas.

    Democracies only reman democratic until you take your eye off them..you ignore their slow chipping away at freedoms at your peril because soon enough your democracy will be like north korea or iran
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    Originally Posted by ayami
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    Communists tried to spread communism around the globe and Muslim countries tried to expand Islamic capitalism too. By force if necessary. Should we be pissed off too and retaliate against both?

    Though earlier you did mention that the West actaully helped the Islamic fundies fight against the USSR...so, which one is it?
    The Soviet union Communist China and the US were locked in a ideological battle to keep snd extend their influence after ww2 yes.For the most part its been the US who've taken to using force to dislodge their opponents in asia and latin america..in the latter its modtly been about oil and raw materials..The middle east has been mostly about control of oil with prowestern royalty regimes propped up by the west who simultaneously are crushing their own peoples rights but using them to wage a religiois ideological war by stealth sgainst the west.Theyre grossly hypocritical and without western money and influence theyd be nowhere to be seen.Islam itself is not a materialistic capitalist religion,quite the reverse,but theyve also got the added internal sectarisn issues of sunni and shia not getting along and that difference has been exploited to the max by the west.

    The mujarhideen are /were islamic fighters against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.The al qaeda movement was created from them ,the al qaeda name is project name given to it by the US believed to be by CIA..The mujarhideen went on to form the islamic fundamentalist /Taliban who took over Afghsnistan before being kicked out by the US invasion and why Bin Laden fled there post 9/11 and then into Pakistan.

    It boils down to a lot of rich old white folks fighting a lot of rich old brown folks over power and influence in the middle east...not really much about democracy for anyone.Young soldiers pay for it all with their lives and we pay for it all with our loss of freedoms and rights and through our wallets.
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    Good grief give us a bit of credit ,we've been waging jihad and slaughtering thousands of people as part of our murderous conquest since Mo received his messages of divine wisdom from arch angel Gabriel .

    8O,000,000 killed in the holy war/ islamic conquest of India and the worlds population then was only about 400 million ,much mass rapeing , beheadings , crucifixions ,enslavement and taking of sex slaves as per Mo's divine instructions , wealth plundered,temples destroyed , jizya enforced etc. etc. and this was done to spread Islam. India back then was populated by hindus and Buddhist not muslims .

    When one of our beloved leaders Mahmoud of Ghazni (also called -the hero of islam and the great invader of India ) invaded Afghanistan in 1000 AD he slaughtered nearly all of the hindus living there , I believe that some sources say the name of this area Hindu Kuch means hindu slaughter. On another of his escapades when he entered Somnah on one of his annual raids he slaughtered all the people there - around 50,000 people.

    The muslim holy war, Islamic conquest of India is the greatest genocide/ holocaust in history.
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