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    New vegan

    I have been veggie for decades but have now decided to be vegan. I have a major problem in that I live in France...land of the carnivores! I live in the middle of nowhere amongst the dairy farmers of Normandy. I have been working hard at self sufficiency and many green issues. Always more to be done.


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    You clearly enjoy a challenge, Bobs! You neighbours will love you for refusing their dairy products!

    Am I right that there was a news story a couple of years ago about vegetarian meals being banned in French schools?

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    Good luck with it all.....least you can order lots of nice stuff online these days

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    Hi there. I'm fairly new to veganism. Was veggie for many years but became a vegan 1/1/16. Shocked by some peoples reactions when you tell them that you are vegan. I dread telling people to be honest. It's always the same reaction. 'How do you get your protein' 'etc etc. I don't know any other vegans (hence my profile name) so would be nice to chat to like minded people. Any tips/advice would be much appreciated

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    Hello, Seasons Greetings.

    If you feel as though you want to answer folks, perhaps tell them that large amounts of the world's population is vegan and much healthier for it. We aren't short on protein - if they research the make up of food themselves they will see that. You telling them about nutrition won't alter their perception as we - everyone - have been misinformed by the meat industry since birth about what we are sold as being a healthy diet.

    I don't often tell anyone about my choices tbh. However, veganism is a huge, and growing movement, and if you join PETA, for instance, they can give you information for helping others understanding your choices. They have information packs for this very thing. Welcome to a better life, eh? Oh, and
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    Ah found it! Moderator FriedOnion's Avatar
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    I find answering people can be tricky, I don't tend to remember all the clever little things that people say & sometimes the meat eaters argument is so shockingly dumb that you don't know whether to take them seriously, an example being when people argue that sheep or cows will go extinct. As above, I don't always tell people, it's rarely worth arguing, if people are interested then by all means explain but if they're looking to push their view or start an argument then why stoop to their level?

    Anyway, welcome to UKH, join in with a few posts, get to know people & you'll find many like minds.

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    We home educate - not the same as being vegan but we are asked the same questions a lot and sometimes get quite horrified reactions ( I remember being at an autism support group once and one of the mums asked which school my son went to. When I said we home educate literally the entire group went silent and everyone stared at me, you'd have thought I'd have told them I eat babies ).

    If people are asking me questions because they're genuinely interested then I'm happy to chat and give them info. If they're asking because they want a row or want to prove to me what a terrible choice I've made I shut them down quite quickly and if I just don't fancy talking about it I do the same. You don't have to justify or defend your choices to anybody so I think your responses just depend on how you feel - if you're happy to say "oh I get a lot of protein from x, y and z" and chat in general then great, if not you could just say "oh there's loads of info on such and such site, you should have a look" or just say "it's not something I want to talk about at the minute" and change the subject.

    It is difficult when you're the only one doing something but I have found it gets a lot easier as time goes on and you feel more comfortable about the situation. I used to dread people asking me about socialising; now I just take a deep breath and start trotting out the same response I've probably used a hundred times over the last ten years (and I only take the deep breath because I'm bored of saying it, not for any other reason, lol).

    Anyway, well done for going vegan! I still haven't quite managed it, I do keep trying but I can't seem to get the balance right and I get quite unwell so I'm still working out what it is I keep missing
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    Many thanks for the advice. Sounds like you've all encountered negative responses too. Do you ever find that when you do try to explain yourself you're made to feel like you are preaching? Luckily family and most of my friends have been supportive. Just get a bit annoyed when people think they have the right to criticise my way of life when it doesn't even affect them. Ah well, their problem not mine I suppose x

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    Yes, very much so. There is a stereotype that vegans are confrontational towards meat eaters, but while I'm sure that there are some, my experience is that it is the carnivores that start all the arguments, most seem to feel that you are criticising them before you have said anything.

    There are preachy people but I don't see the point, if someone has reached middle age and are still eating meat you're unlikely to change them.

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    My sister, long nhs career, has been constantly ill for many years and takes so many pills she rattles. RM and myself are both fit and healthy and have never needed their medications. Yet my sister still questions our dietary choices at every opportunity, just the other day she brought up the protein question, yet again
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    You'll never please those kinds of people, if you can manage it (I can't) a condescending smile makes them nervous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FriedOnion View Post
    There is a stereotype that vegans are confrontational towards meat eaters, but while I'm sure that there are some, my experience is that it is the carnivores that start all the arguments, most seem to feel that you are criticising them before you have said anything.
    Ain't that the truth. I rarely tell anyone unless I'm expected to eat around them, then I get the old chestnut about vegans telling you that they are vegan within 5 minutes of meeting them. The reality is that if someone finds out you are vegan, you are immediately critisized for your choices, told that you cannot manage unless you have supplements and that you will make farmed animals extinct.

    I'm often bemused by people who tell me that farmed animals will all have to be killed if nobody eats them! Eh? Hello? What do they think is the fate of a cow whether or not a vegan eats it?
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    It's crazy isn't it. A few years ago before I became vegetarian I was a heavy smoker, I drank a lot more than I should have and my diet was very poor. Lots of takeaways and ready meals. No one ever passed comment. Now all of a sudden everyone is worried that I'm not getting enough protein!!! Since becoming vegan 12momths ago I have lost 2stone, my skin has improved, I have more energy and feel so well generally. I'm happier than I've ever been due to the peace veganism has given me x
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