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    I wouldn't mind moving to a completely uninhabited planet and starting again all on my own.(don't think the missus would go for it but then I could be wrong!).
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    I will live with voluptuous!! I scrub up well but not too often...
    not wrong with voluptuous, I advertised for "buxom" and got the missus!!!
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    I like to think that there are alternate universes....one where another me didn't screw up everyday.
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    nope there will only ever be one of me, I am the original and the only.make of that what you will.
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    Originally Posted by oldkeith
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    If there are parallel universes it is unlikely that we are there, as we are here.
    But perhaps not all of what we are is here, meaning that we may be extensions of something that is elsewhere.
    If this is so, parallel universes/dimensions would have to exist.
    Yes

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    Some ramblings from an old boatbuilder who has no understanding of the mathematics of quantum or string theory;

    Physicists have for many years told us that the universe is infinite, logic seems to support this, as you can always ask the question "what's outside it ?" if it had a limit. Now they suggest that there may be "alternative universes", to which you could ask a similar question "why not another one ?", which could suggest an infinite amount of alternative universes. The alternative universes cannot exist outside our own universe, as we already say our universe is infinite and there is no "outside", so can we assume that the infinite number of universes exist in the same space as our own universe ? That's difficult to imagine, but not impossible, for example light seemingly occupies an infinitesimally small amount of space, yet can be split into different colours but also different polarizations. There is a famous experiment that seems to point to light being able to be in two places at once.

    There is also the problem of "dark matter", which calculations confirm exists, but we simply can't see it. Is it another universe in "our" space ? Maybe there are as many variations of dark matter as there are universes. Perhaps the whole universe is a solid block of matter, but we can only detect a tiny amount of it and pass through the rest oblivious, like light passing through glass or a neutrino passing through the Earth.

    Ramble over, for now. My head has melted.
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    No way am I spending all day digging and splitting logs in 2 places at the same time, I get knackered enough as it is !
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    There's a video of the history and modern theories about Dark Matter here in the link below; it's a bit 'Ghee Whizz!' but is a decent popular approach to an hard-to-figure (for me!) subject:
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    through the black hole, where we arent allowed to go,and from present day affairs on earth syria,,korea, homelessness,, coral reef everything,,,we are excluded and imprisoned on this side of the black holes, portals,,,they can come thru but we cant go back
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    Just the idea of galaxies moving away from our own at 30,000kmh per second is mind blowing enough, when I consider just how far they have moved away from me since I was born. That alone is more space distance than I can quantify in hedgelaying terms. I hope if there are more like me, that they look after themselves better than I did and don't lift anything stupidly to big or difficult to control on a windy day.
    I now think that people who study astrology are the most satisfied junkies on earth. The next Discovery is a bigger hit than the first hit they chased.
    even a gypsy caravan is too much settling down.
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    Originally Posted by oldkeith
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    There's a video of the history and modern theories about Dark Matter here in the link below; it's a bit 'Ghee Whizz!' but is a decent popular approach to an hard-to-figure (for me!) subject:
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    Super Cooool.....And Very Wisdom Learning And Be Very Bounce Bouncie Too....
    Thankyou For Showing oldkeith ....As I Lovezz To Be Learning Of Mans Beliefs And Thinkings Of What Is Called The Dark Matter...Where I Be Simply Calling It And Knowing Of It Simply As "The Beyond Beyond" In Sort Of English Words As I/We Have Only Symbols And Signs For This Be And No Spoken Words ...As It Has No Words To Us...
    So I Very Muchly Loved Looking Out Of My Eyes And Seeing This...
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    Originally Posted by ma bungo
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    No way am I spending all day digging and splitting logs in 2 places at the same time, I get knackered enough as it is !
    Hahahahaha
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    I tried to concentrate but lost the gist.

    People who hold with a literal god are living in an alternate universe but flip it so it's me and my ilk who are alternative,.....It's so confused....... Alternately it could be so simple.....

    What's the point in thinking?

    Could every person have developed into a different entity from their current manifestation?

    Probably they could !

    What are these universes that you refer to?
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    Originally Posted by oldkeith
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    There's a video of the history and modern theories about Dark Matter here in the link below; it's a bit 'Ghee Whizz!' but is a decent popular approach to an hard-to-figure (for me!) subject:
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    And To Be Honest Too....When I Be Listening And Looking Out Of My Eyes The Very Be (First Thing I Feel And Hear And See In The Spoken Words" Is...
    "Woww They Are Describing "Many Man And Mans World And They Do Not Even See It And Know It"...Because
    "Sadly Be There Are Sooo Many Of Man And Sooo Many Sadly Things Of Mans World Too That Are Both Pure Dark Matter And Pure Dark Energy" ....And That Be Too Sadly Hidden And Invisible To Others Because They Hide It Sooo Well Under Deep Within Their Wrapper"...Because Man Seem To Always Be Only Looking Seeing Believing "The Outside Wrapper" And Not "The Dark Matter And Dark Energy " Thats Hidden Until It Be Too Sadly Late....
    Just As Mans World Need For...Greed...Money .Destruction...Pollution .Etc Of Anything That Is Wild And Free And Beautiful And Different ...Such As The Earths Garden And..The Lands The Animals ..Forests..And .The Natural Minerals And Oils Etc Etc Etc .. Are All Dark Matter And Dark Energy ...For They Both Swallow Up And Destroy And Block Out Any Light And Anything Beautiful And Different They Touch.. Want ..Need.. Etc ....Meaning Simply Anything They Want And Anything That Gets In Their Way And Just Spread And Grow And Make More And Throw Out Dark Matter And Dark Energy..
    It Is How You Would Say But Simply Said Like Be
    "Spirit" ...

    So The Next Thing Be In Video I See ..Know..Feel...In Seeing Through Their Spoken Words....(Yes I/We Can See Peoples Spoken Words And Not Only Just Hear Them)hahaha...But Most Mans World Only Use Their Ears And Not Their Eyes When People Speak Which Is Sad Be Because If Peeps See The Words Too And Not Just Hear Them ..Then It Can/Could Show Them What Be Hidden Within Their Words And What Be Hidden Truly Deep Inside Their Wrapper Be Too...Dark Or Light..!!!
    Soooo ...Just Like You Have Be Two Kinds Of Spirit..
    "Light Spirit (Matter) .Gives Off Spreads Light Energy"...
    So Be Very Beautiful And Bright.
    Then You Have
    "Dark Spirit (Matter) Gives Off Spreads Dark Energy..
    So Very Dark Uggly Its Invisible And Hidden.

    As All And Everything Has To Have "Balance" Meaning Be
    "Light/Dark " ...
    So This They Speak Off Is Simply As You Call It In Your Words "The Universes (Spirit) ....
    Just Simply The Same As The Mans World
    Earths (Spirit) .....
    Because Yes It Be "Balance"...Of "Spirits"
    Two Of This Earth......"Light Matter/ Light Energy" And Dark Matter/Dark Energy Just As
    Two Of The Universe. "Light Matter/Light Energy And Dark Matter/Dark Energy"...

    So Its Simple ...Without There Be Both ...There Would Simply Be No Balance ...Meaning .There Be ."Nothing" ...
    No Mans World ...No Universe...No Balance ..No Spirit...

    And So To Me That Is What That Video Is Just Simply Saying ...Showing ..Not Some New Found Treasure Or Wonder ...Just Simply What Is You Call /Word "SPIRIT" ..
    .
    But Off Course Man And Mans World Too Blind To See Their Own Words And What Is In Plain Sight ..And Turn And Make It Soooo Muddling That Nobody Understands What "Dark Matter/Dark Energy Is ...hahahaha.

    So Be It You Or Nobody Believes Or Sees Or Feels What I Be Do And I Be Know And Feel...And I Think Of This Video Is Off All Yours And Everybody Free Thinking Choice Which I Respect ....
    I Just Simply Be Saying And Sharing My Beliefs And Thinking...And What I See And Feel And Hear Out Of My Eyes And Ears And Beliefs ...
    So That Is Why I Sooo Loved It ...As It Gives Me Wisdoms And New Teachings Of Some Of Mans Words Thinking Ways And Of Be Their Beliefs...

    So To Me That Is Why I/We Do Not Have Sort Of Our Own Speaking Words For "Spirit" We Have And Use Beautiful Symbols And Signs Instead...Even Though I Use It And Write (Spirit) Word On Here With All UKHippy Peeps As It Is The Way/Word Of Your Kind..And Mans World.
    But If I Be Say Writing To My Kind It Would Be A Symbol And Signs Not A "Word".
    If ALL That Makes Sense? Hahahahaha
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    In the universe I'm in at present I don't believe they exist.
    Although there are other universes where I'm a great believer in their existence.
    And others where I'm not sure at all.
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    Danann, I had to read that slowly twice before it really soaked in...
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    But the simile is valid. You are far out, Danann!
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    Hey chin up.If this one had been different you may not have appeared on here,because here may have been somewhere else instead and no doubt everyone here is pleased you showed up.
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    After I had cooled my heels over degradation of women sex workers...I have had hoots thinking of you and your mate green and hopefull getting forced up those stairs to the chrome remover and the gangrene eye.Maybe that was a parrallel universe...Stairway to Heaven?
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    Originally Posted by gophangover
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    I like to think that there are alternate universes....one where another me didn't screw up everyday.
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    Originally Posted by oldkeith
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    Danann, I had to read that slowly twice before it really soaked in...
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    But the simile is valid. You are far out, Danann!
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    Ooops Oldkeith I Got Sort Of Be Lost In My Own Babbling Universe As I Tap Tapped Away Trying To Find The Words To Show What I Was Showing Which Can Be Struggles For Me And My Thinking Ways hahahahaha.
    And Be Thought "Oooops" After I Saw My Words.... !! Hahahahahaha....As It Kinda Is Hypo Bouncie MilkyWays Far Out hehehehehe ...But Makes Perfectly Senses To Me But Struggles No Doubts For Non Dananns To Understand My Thinking Writing Thoughts Of What Dark Matter /Dark Energies Be hahahaha..
    But I Be Soooo Very Happy That It Be Making You "Smiles"
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    )..And Now I Be Smiling Too
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    I have not heard yet about alternate universe and even if it is really exist. I will never go there. For, everything has an end. So even if those other universe are really existing they have also an end.

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    Originally Posted by cricket
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    ......I was pulling out of an industrial park many years ago.As i waited for traffic to pass, the opposite side of the road seemed visually odd as though it was a solid mass even the air,stopped .still.odd.I was transfixed for a while then pulled out to go home.I must of passed ,the three young lads speeding in the other direction,within moments of them hitting exactly where I had been looking and dieing there.
    I don't quite understand what you wrote. Did you mean to say that had you remained at that spot on the road for a few more seconds, you would have been hit by those 3 lads?

    Here's some similar tales from someone else.

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    His story rings true because I myself have experienced some very unusual events.

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    We have words to describe everything we can possibly consider. With new ideas, we invent new words. The whole point of the word universe ("one turning"), is to be all encompassing, that's its intention, to represent the whole cosmos - everything. The discussions of finiteness and infinity are both within the universe. As soon as we perceive something hitherto unknown it then becomes part of our universe.

    That said, Boaty, above, makes a lot of good points (I didn't understand a few bits like the light existing in two places at the same time?). It could be there is a totally separate universe out there. If so, we can't reach it or perceive it - we can only imagine or theoretically consider it. Brian Cox in one of his glorious docs goes on about the 'edges of the universe'. He says we have images of the universe and there is evidence of where our universe has been 'knocked into' by another universe. I go a bit weird and shuddery at this point. The human mind has existed so long; we consider all these things that go beyond.

    Time itself is strange. I find it funny about the ever-unfurling present. The now. We are all eternally now. The past and the future do not exist in our reality. (Are they alternate universes?) Yet the future as a concept is very useful: we can plan for the future, knowing the future will exist at some point, catch a bus at a specific time, or save seeds to plant next year. The past is even weirder. It is irretrievably gone, but it used to be the present. We know the past had reality at some point (unlike the future?) Thinking about time is mind-bending.

    Those other theories of parallel universes, or entering separate realities through holes in space. No idea. Our own reality is such a contradiction of flux reality and solidity. The flux of reality is dream, halucination and sleep (but even physical reality when you get to the edges of science gets flakey). For me there the weird one is sleep. Daily, we all subjugate our selves ritualistically to the prostrate lying position and suddenly fall asleep when we are at our most unaware, how does this magic happen? We are taken. Is this when all our dreams are harvested for spiritual aliens in an alternative universe to eat? They don't eat hamburgers, they eat our dreams. We have little real control over the sleep process and go mad without it.

    Then the solid reality is that very real tangible reality out there that we can't permanently escape during our lives. Every day, after being released from alternative universes of punctuating sleep we enter a New Day of solid reality, we have to go to work and do certain things ritualistically: eat, put caps on bottles (if that is our job), send emails, talk to each other, do some things with our 'free will', giggle, run through a field, make blackberry jam, shoot a few people if we are in the army. Our perception of the flux reality may give us ideas we can escape the solid reality, ie Castaneda says we can control our dreams and all meet each other, gurus say they can levitate, others say we can go into past lives. I've looked into this and had glimpses, developing an awareness of the fluidity of things; but nothing totally transforming. (Death is transforming.)

    Reality is a strange blend of matter and imagination. Flux reality could be a way to 'get into another universe'. I suppose drugs do that to a certain extent? Sometimes a drug experience can seem totally separate - ie you come out of that state, and you can't accurately remember the essence of that reality - until you return to it again. ("Ahhhhhh! Yes I'm here again!" Even Love can be another universe.)

    Ultimately, I don't know the extent of even this universe, nevermind alternative ones. (And definition matters.)

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    Gave it some thought and can only say: If there is another me in another universe, I sincerely hope the poor fuck's had a better deal than this me! You just never can be sure....
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    Originally Posted by menachem
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    I have not heard yet about alternate universe and even if it is really exist. I will never go there. For, everything has an end. So even if those other universe are really existing they have also an end.
    I don't think so.

    If everything has an end, then:


    Nothing lasts for ever. think about that one

    "Nothing lasts for ever" means 'nothingness', the concept in manifest; (abyss, absence of ALL, no time, no matter, no life) that this nothingness, lasts for ever: is infinite. Such an ever-present 'nothingness' would exclude everything and all things for ever, including our reality and each and every one of us. Yet most would agree: our reality is here. Descartes spent a lot of time on this one. (I wonder where he is?)

    'Nothing' has no place in our reality; it is only a misleading human construct. It can be a useful human construct like the number zero, but to give it an essential reality would be erroneous. (I don't want to confuse this, but it's worth pointing out it also follows that death - in absolution - doesn't exist. Death = nothingness. The riddle behind understanding this fully is determining what we mean by death and facing the unknowable, whilst also allowing the knowable: that everythig is eternal.) (OK admitted: that parenthetical bit is a real fuck up.) (
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    As many people have noted (including Heraclitus and Lao Tzu), The only constant is change ("Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them; that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality.") Change is eternal, our ever-unfurling universe which is constantly in the present. Now is here. Everything is changing, but it doesn't disappear (only Paul Daniel disappears), the changing, or passing away is full of 'instants' that might appear to be little deaths. In this way, the present continues. Everything is eternally changing. Everything is eternal.

    To understand the above, the critical thing is how a consciousness perceives this ever-unfurling moment. It doesn't necessarily mean the end to attachments, or grief, we still lose loved ones, but it can change our perception of life and the way we live our life.

    Another way of thinking about the eternal nature of reality is to conceive the opposite (and I am going to use terms crassly here for brevity). What would a reality with no 'death' be like? ie, a reality in which some people could possibly say everything lasts for ever? Stasis. no passing of time (as time is the measurement of change), solidity, an eternal brick, even a thought can't die, so there is only space for one thought and thought can't have more than one word, as each word would have separate realities. As soon as you pass on to the next thought the past one starts to go. So, the world with no passing, no change, is stasis, ONE, in all its magnanimity. And it's not even one person thinking this one thought (because that's two), that really kills it doesn't it? Such a oneness is death? (Or is it inconceivable to us?) . . . Perhaps Ommmmmmmm, or the eternal vibration - but I don't think so. That truly would be an alternative universe, and it could be, the eternal Godhead, a Oneness in opposition to our Pan-reality. If that is the case, we are here because of the need for individuality. Ummmmmmmm.

    Anyway, this is our reality for now, I believe it is eternal - tell me when it's over menachem.
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