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Thread: Legal ownership of medical marijuana, strains, compounds in the UK

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    Legal ownership of medical marijuana, strains, compounds in the UK

    I hope this is in the right place, I had considered putting it in health and wellbeing but it's more about the legal side than the medical side I'm interested in.please feel free to move it if you feel the need.

    G W a British company who are licensed to manufacture Sativex here in the UK, have patented not only the Sativex product ingredients and manufacturing process of Sativex from cannabis, but have also gone on to patent hundreds of other things related to cannabis strains, growing methods and the hundreds of compounds found within cannabis. A statement by a company director said on film. If someone stole and grew one plant strain that they have a patent on, it would be breaking the law. How did they get to do this legally without someone realising this is potentially going to stop or limit further medical advances by other interested parties here in the UK, if not throughout the world?
    I can understand them copy righting the product they have had licenced and brought to market. How can they patent the hundreds of compounds held within cannabis? And the many strains they have come accross? How can they patent the many growing methods of cannabis and hundreds of combinations of those compounds?

    Can we access the patented company records and see just what they have already patented without having to pay for that information? The director flicked through pages and pages of A4 with lots of patented items on them relating to cannabis strains, through to cannabis production, compounds and and formulas of compounds.

    If you you want to look at the documentary I found it on BBC I player It think it's about 4 years old and is more focused on the medical marijuana industry in the USA in terms of big business and investment. only a small part of it is in reference to the G W company and the UK but well worth a watch.
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    AW, this is very like how Monsanto have gone into India and Africa and patented local varieties of crops, so nobody can grow them without a licence from the patent holder. A policy that causes much misery and destitution across the world.

    Anything that is already in existence should not be patentable, because it is already in use by untold numbers of people. These patent laws are one of the first things that should be made void by any socialist government.
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    I think this came up over patenting of DNA and the ruling by the US supreme court was you cannot patent naturally occurring genes or compounds,you can only patent the products you make from them and the process used to protect your own product.
    Monsanto are busy trying to patent every living thing thats a source of food at the moment but faced with the possibility they may not be able to patent naturally occurring food thryre now busy buying up all the heritage/heirloom seed suppliers to control the supply of all known varieties of fruit and veg seed.
    Thry already control almost all of commercisl cereal seed supply and have farmers over a barrel and now theyre trying to control everything thsts grown by smallholders horticulturalists hobby farmers and amateur gardeners.
    Its unlikely i think that any patent infringement would stsnd up in court as a natural product but thst doesnt matter if they control the seed supply.They only have to apply a coating of herbicide to the seed for instance and then they can patent that seed product..The message is buy your heirloom seed varieties while you still can because once they own the supply chain then youllonly be able to grow the varieties they want you to use which will be the ones they already supply to commercial growers.The EU has been complicit in allowing this to happen despite protests from seed suppliers and commercisl growers.

    As regsrds cannabis derived products,I think.it can be tsken as a given that the pharmaceutical industry will want to take control of the manufscture and supply of any cannabis related medications.Theres already pressure being but on regulators to insist current suppliers of things like CBD oils have their products thoroughly tested in labs in the same way prescription medications are and apply for licenses for selling them afterwsrds which means a lot of small suppliers will be forced out of business,the bigger ones bought up by big pharma and bingo, game set and match to big pharma....The only reason governments and states are moving toward legslisation is because the pharmas can see big money in the msrket and want to control it.Theres never going to be cheap magical cannabis based meds on the market anymore than theres cheap prescription meds now.
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    I find the actions of Monsatan very worrying, thousands of seed varieties survive because small "heirloom" companies organize their distribution and sharing. Once Monsatan get control these varieties will exist only in our memories, as big business push their own GM Patented varieties.

    Monsanto have already caused problems with their "Roundup Resistant" crops, because they make Roundup so ubiquitous that other varieties cannot survive. I read that they've even sued landowners who have found Patented genetic material in their own crops due to accidental wind pollination, although I'm not sure of that so check it yourself - they are notoriously litigious.

    I'd say to anyone who wants to preserve a strain of whatever seed they enjoy growing; get it now and keep it going as long as you can, spread it around amongst other gardeners, preferably in remote places where it cannot be contaminated with patented genetic material.
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    PS/ I forgot to write; many Heirloom seeds already come with a warning on the packet forbidding commercial growing - just for use of enthusiasts. Big business has already got their hooks into them.

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    That was the census coming out of the big corporate investment meetings in the documentary. One business investor compared it to a few months before prohibition started in the States saying "it would be foolish not to get in now while there's big money still to be made." Another investor said "where else in agriculture can you make such big returns other than Truffles lb for lb"


    A spokesman from G W said "cannabis is potentially a goldmine for new drugs."
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    PS/ I forgot to write; many Heirloom seeds already come with a warning on the packet forbidding commercial growing - just for use of enthusiasts. Big business has already got their hooks into them.
    Ive not seen amy warnings but i know the EU demanded last year that all heirloom/heritage seed suppliers register their varieties and supplies and that will hand Monsanto the data on a plate for who to go after and buy up.

    In the end though these giants will be killed by their own greed.Monsanto have already been kicked out of a couple of Latin American countries recently and with Trumps hostile animosity toward Latinos that will only encourage more to do the same.
    Nestle are making themselves unwanted very quickly with their exploitation of water ...taking water from aquifers in India and asia for their bottled water business when the people living there have no water.The Nestle CEO is on record as saying no one has a right to water and everyone should pay for it...these dinosaurs running these corporations will push their luck too far eventually.They can hide behind their office glass and smart lawyers but when people get mad and fight back therell be nowhere for them to hide.Farmers in African states wont be too worried about legalities of setting fire to a few monsanto employees once they reslise whats going on
    The whole world is getting sick of these western corporations and like him or not Putin knows what their game is and is not letting them do business in Russia.Its about time we did tge same and kicked them out.
    Everyone should buy heirloom seed and grow what they want and st ick their middle finger up to the corporations and the EU regulators.
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    the EU demanded
    Well, won't be long before we can happily tell the corrupted EU where to insert it's demands without vaseline.
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    And the EU is so much more corrupt than the UK?

    Have you ever read a book?......Ever?

    I hope good old blighty satisfies you post brexit.

    The EU were our protectors against even greater abuses of individual, human rights....That's done with.
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    To give you some context for the original discussion:-

    Growing cannabis in the UK is illegal.....However if the potential yield of the plants is below a certain amount the judiciary WILL NOT PROSECUTE......Despite the overwhelming opinions of law enforcers small grows remain unintelligably illegal.

    Corporate Medicinalists are attempting to claim patents on strains of marijuana that already exist simply because they are 'legalised developers' and in spite of the fact that these strains pre exist.

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    A lad I know got busted. He had just cleaned out one grow and he replaced the grow room with cuttings. The drug squad told him he was lucky in that all the plants were still just under 15cm tall. So he was charged and cautioned. His equipment confiscated but no further action taken. Think he had nearly 30 plants on the go.

    I really would like to see just what G W have tried to patent though.
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