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Thread: We should have stayed or Why it's good we're leaving!

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    Originally Posted by Chazz
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    Taking back control is going well.....as long as 'taking back control' means the Govt taking it away from the man in the street who will be left powerless if/when we leave.

    The Times Newspaper:

    Britons will lose their right to sue the government for breaking the law under Brexit plans that could allow ministers to escape censure over air pollution.
    Legislation to ban individuals and companies from bringing compensation claims against Whitehall after Brexit is being drawn up, The Times has learnt.
    Swathes of the law covering areas such as the environment, workers’ rights and business regulation will no longer be subject to financial redress through the courts.


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    How's that square up with TTIP, which allows big companies to sue governments?


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    Depending on individuals circumstances, motivations and goals it may square up just fine I guess.

    In a fractious society that rewards private sector greed and land ownership above all else it does continue to be unsuprising that exploitative sectors attract special treatment.

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    Originally Posted by oldkeith
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    How's that square up with TTIP, which allows big companies to sue governments?


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    TTIP is dead and buried.

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    Originally Posted by schadenfreude
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    TTIP is dead and buried.
    No, sadly TTIP is in an induced coma, not dead.

    The TTIP frame work is already negotiated and agreed upon by the USA, Canada ( I think) , and the UK. It got blocked by other countries. Post brexit it will be most likely used as a copy and paste trade deal to get something done asa fast as possible, TTIP but with fewer nations.

    Please remember the Tories need TTIP if their dream of a USA style insurance based healthcare system is to be realised, the Uk public have no appetite for TTIP, but a no deal Brexit because of the “evil EU is trying to punish us” when in reality they are trying to make the negotiations fail, they could easily sell it as a necessity.

    Brekxit means the tories have free reign to so what they want, so much for 350 million a week for the NHS, people have in reality voted to destroy it, just some are too obstinate to realise it yet.

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    The EU has been consulting on TTIP (and variants of) for many years now. Although Brexit will mean separate negociations now for the UK before final agreements to move open trade forward.
    It’s unlikely the EU won’t follow the UK and except similar trade terms. It’s just a matter of time.
    World trade deals/agreements have been on the cards for a longtime, along with standardisation.
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    International free trade areas is the future, massive ones, the TTIP version is just plain evil though. Thankfully some eu countries blocked it after all the negotiates were done.

    The EU were not just consulting on TTIP, they were an integral part of the negotiations, as the EU 28 was part of the TTIP area. But it was a couple of steps too far, mostly adopting us style intellectual property rights and having governments be held accountable for law changes that effect company profit margins, that would have seriously hampered countries adapting to changing environmental and economic conditions, individual eu nations in difficulty are already heavily hampered by the economic rules from Brussels, TTIP would handicap them even more.
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