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    Britain First - Wolverhampton.

    If anybody in/near Wolverhampton is looking for something to do this weekend, you could pop down and spoil their day.





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    Nice one.

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    Wish it was closer...have always had a good time at anti fascist protests. They're such idiots
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    Why are people against Britain First??? All they want to do is to raise awareness about uncontrolled mass immigration and asylum and the growing problem of Islamic extremism. Have people forgotton the Afghan/Soviet war on 1980 to 1989 already when communist Soviet forces were fighting against Islamic jihadists in Afghanistan? The left today seem to be totally stupid.

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    Do you really not understand why hippie types on an alternative thinking forum might be against Britain first?
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    The extreme right seem to have forgotten (conveniently) or ignore a lot about recent history and particularly anti immigrant nationalism of nazi Germany.Many on the extreme right hanker for it.

    By the way,the Soviet army was fighting islamic Mujahideen guerillas armed by the US CIA who wanted to kick out the Soviet Union who had invaded Afghanistan in the first place.From that Mujahideen core came Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and the radicalisation of Islam we're now dealing with.I guess historical fact gets in the way of political narrative though.
    No one -even on the right - have any allusions about what Britain First actually is or what it secretly stands for.

    If you genuinely believe Britain First are harmless and a force for good,what are doing on this forum of mostly open minded folks of all political backgrounds who view BF and its policies with revulsion.
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    I don't understand why people are so quick at bashing those two or three lunatics of Britain First, while in practice being on their same wavelength on many issues. I don't understand why it is not ok to challenge islamic extremism but it's perfectly ok to label European citizens as unskilled, a burden to the country, driving wages down, clogging the NHS and so on. Hypocrisy is the first word that comes to mind.

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    Im not on the same wavelength on any of Britain First or Conservatives or UKIP -theyre all of the same sewer as far as im concerned.Im against extremists of all kinds regardless whether they of the extreme right extreme left or islamic christian or whatever extremists.Brexit issue has become a vehicle to be racist and anti immigrant while pretending its all about EU and British sovereignty.People want all the benefits EU has to offer but not be part of it.Brits dont want immigrants here as its "taking our jobs" but dont want to do the jobs immigrants do because they wont work in those jobs and they dont pay enough ..Thats hypocrisy.
    That there are right wing extremists who are anti immigrant,islamophobic,homophobic,misogy nistic etc on a hippy forum...thats hypocrisy too so why are those people still here? except to be trolls maybe.
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    Originally Posted by Waterwheel
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    Why are people against Britain First??? All they want to do is to raise awareness about uncontrolled mass immigration and asylum and the growing problem of Islamic extremism. Have people forgotton the Afghan/Soviet war on 1980 to 1989 already when communist Soviet forces were fighting against Islamic jihadists in Afghanistan? The left today seem to be totally stupid.
    Do you honestly think we need a band of racist football thugs to raise "awareness" of something people are already aware of?

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    There's been more 'hate' towards any forum member who may actually have voted for Brexit and have genuinely expressed their own views on here. Than I would have ever expected from a group of 'alternative' people who supposedly support free thinking, live and let live morals. It's almost like the antichrist is hiding beneath the hippy peace and love banner. Peace and love, so long as it suits your ideals and not that of a safe, open, excepting, tuned in, inclusive, fair, free gathering group.
    How can we expect the world to get on, when too many forum members are pomping this right and that right, all the time walking allover other people's rights. You may as well swap 'Brexit' for 'racist' 'anti-Brexit' for 'opinionated hypocrites' This isn't aimed at you Paul. But there's far too many living in glass houses, who think their windows are bullet proof. Not so!

    I don't support Britain first, NF, football hooliganism, Far right views or outward hatred. I do however support the right to gather and protest/demonstrate peacefully.
    Most of us have been to protests and demonstrations and know there's two sides to that coin. If it's not hired thugs sent in to do the dirty work, It's Government 'paid' thugs.


    Let them gather, let's hope no one turns up. Don't publicise it, Stay away, avoid their propaganda. Someone somewhere would welcome the chance to silence everyone.
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    It's almost like the antichrist is hiding beneath the hippy peace and love banner.
    Nasty hippies, getting all concerned about a thread that has been at times like a UKIP love-in.
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    No-one has been stopped from expressing their viewpoint unless it was clearly racist, which thankfully is rare.

    Let them (Britain First) gather, let's hope no one turns up. Don't publicise it, Stay away, avoid their propaganda. Someone somewhere would welcome the chance to silence everyone.
    I'm glad that people oppose Britain First wherever they try and gather. They support a fascist viewpoint and many adorn themselves with fascist insignia. Those supporting their marches are either thugs or at the least they're people happy to walk arm in arm with racist thugs.

    I might be able to make it up to Wolverhampton tommorow morning so thanks for the heads up Wurzel
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    Recent BF outings have been at least a bit of a flop and long may that continue.
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    When these ideas surfaced as a political force in the 1930s, largely fuelled by antisemitism, there was no strong opposition to them -- as a result we ended up with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany and so on.

    Anger expressed by individuals, well it's ugly, but it's not a movement or ideology.

    People expect to have free speech with immunity from consequences - it doesn't work like that.

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    Originally Posted by alices wonderland
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    Let them gather, let's hope no one turns up. Don't publicise it, Stay away, avoid their propaganda. Someone somewhere would welcome the chance to silence everyone.
    People still have the right to counter protest,

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    Originally Posted by rhythm
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    People still have the right to counter protest,
    Yes they do. Even if they are supported by the 'police who use extreme force and violence , as we all witnessed in Europe a few weeks ago.

    I would buy a ticket to watch at Wembley. if it was a free for all and no rules bared . You can resent their views and they can resent yours, just try and keep it off our streets when it kicks off!
    even a gypsy caravan is too much settling down.

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    Do you honestly think we need a band of racist football thugs to raise "awareness" of something people are already aware of?

    Britain first supporters, or supporters of any hate group, are not welcome on this forum.
    Really? But we had Hagrid for 4 years plus a number of fascist and racist trolls still alive and kicking on this forum.

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    Originally Posted by schadenfreude
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    Really? But we had Hagrid for 4 years plus a number of fascist and racist trolls still alive and kicking on this forum.
    We don't pay attention to every single post so largely wait until content gets reported, or when people fail to sort out their own disagreements.

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    Originally Posted by schadenfreude
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    Really? But we had Hagrid for 4 years plus a number of fascist and racist trolls still alive and kicking on this forum.
    Facist and racist, really ?
    So far as anti semitic racism goes , I thought that it was pretty prevalent in Jezbollahs version of the labour party , what with him sharing a platform and showing support for juice hating , hate groups like hamas and hezbollah.
    Britain first are a largely unsupported bunch of dickheads that conflate criticism of Islam and islamist doctrine with anti muslim bigotry , which can't be helpful and isolates moderate muslims whose support is essential to defeat radical wahhabi islamism
    . After all it is mainly suuni muslim kurds that believe in secularism and equal rights for women, religious freedom,human rights and a system of libertarian governance that are leading the fight with their arab allies against brave daeshbags and other jihadi gangs in northern Syria.
    Like the labour party and unlike their previous incarnation the bnp , Britain First also seem to be pretending to not be anti semitic juice haters, maybe if they could just stop the anti Islam stuff ,these nationalist Britain First halfwits and socialist labour could merge and form a new party , a national socialist party,proud to call hamas, hezbollah and holocaust deniying hate groups, friends and comrades

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    What I find very sad about the this whole divided situation is it denies the chance to talk about the perceived problems of the world for fear of condemnation and being labelled an extreamist or a bigot of some sort.

    We live in a world where people are afraid to ask questions, afraid to offer solutions, afraid to talk to one another.

    This is not a good place to be in my mind.

    As an anarchist, I may not agree with your opinion but I will fight for your right to express it. Surely it is better to get things out in the open and engage with people than to shut them down and make them feel as though their voice isn't being heard.

    The powers that be love all this division. Whilst we are fighting with each other, they are rubbing their hands together.

    The sad thing is that we all really want the same thing or things in life and if we stopped pointing fingers and shouting at each other and started talking and asking questions we could all get what we want.

    I have many many questions I want to ask on a variety of topics but I am afraid of being labelled a this or a that just for asking the question. I do not want to live in a world where you are condemned for asking a question.

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    Originally Posted by Chazz
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    Nasty hippies, getting all concerned about a thread that has been at times like a UKIP love-in.
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    No-one has been stopped from expressing their viewpoint unless it was clearly racist, which thankfully is rare.



    I'm glad that people oppose Britain First wherever they try and gather. They support a fascist viewpoint and many adorn themselves with fascist insignia. Those supporting their marches are either thugs or at the least they're people happy to walk arm in arm with racist thugs.

    I didn't say we had been stopped from expressing our view point, although our view point needs to be carefully expressed. Otherwise we could 'Be Stopped' even silenced by banning possibly. My point is that by having voted for Brexit, some members assume we are all 'racists and extremists' by association. To which some forum members express deep hatred.

    We have to be careful how far we go when mustering support to squash a group who's ideals and views don't fit within the norm and we don't agree with.

    I get a flashback of the millions of mainstream Brits, sat at their breakfast table before work. The TV news showing riot Police and Police roadblocks. Police demonstrating a heavy handed, no nonsense stance towards 'portrayed' Unkempt, inarticulate, blabbering yobs travelers moaning to camera and pleading a right to drive 'again' (portrayed) unroadworthy vehicles onto private land to 'live freely.' By the end of the day, Homes burnt out, smashed and trashed, families seperated and members detained. No public outcry, business as usual.

    Why? Because people stopped seeing the person in the crowd and lost compassion.
    even a gypsy caravan is too much settling down.

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    Originally Posted by alices wonderland
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    We have to be careful how far we go when mustering support to squash a group who's ideals and views don't fit within the norm and we don't agree with.
    This is true, even though a lot of far right groups would probably be quick to squash anyone they did not like if they had any real power in politics and government.
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    Seems to be the left that show far less tolerance for things they don't like , be it no platforming speakers they don't agree with on campuses or wanting statues pulled down or masking up and acting like violent facist thugs to counter demonstrate or if they don't get their own way when no platforrming speakers. Or perhaps waging war on social media against people whose opinions they disagree with , reporting them and trying to get them banned and silenced from platforms like twitter and um , some forums.
    Apparently, 112 events featuring extremist speakers took place on UK campuses in the academic year 2016/2017, according to a recent report by Britain's Henry Jackson society: "The vast majority of the extreme speakers recorded in this report are Islamist extremists, though one speaker has a background in Far-Right politics...." That one speaker was Tommy Robinson both of whose events were cancelled, one due to hundreds of students planning to demonstrate to protest his appearance. The report does not mention student protests at any of the Islamist events.

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    Lol....can you imagine the party of the landred gentry feeling the need to encourage the public to march with them in protest at the lack of....of....more money for the wealthy? Less council housing? Too much free healthcare?
    A most basic understanding of the history of fascism makes a joke of calling out 'intolerance' at those who protest against it.

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    I'll just put on my Moderator hat for one post.
    In the case of this thread don't worry about discussing its pro's and cons because Wurzel hasn't objected, well not yet. But don't expect to do the same in other threads in the 'protests, direct action & campaigns' forum and then say well we got away with it before.


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    Originally Posted by Chazz
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    Lol....can you imagine the party of the landred gentry feeling the need to encourage the public to march with them in protest at the lack of....of....more money for the wealthy? Less council housing? Too much free healthcare?
    A most basic understanding of the history of fascism makes a joke of calling out 'intolerance' at those who protest against it.
    Good grief Chazz that isn't what I was talking about .
    Here's an example of some of the activities to which I was referring too.-
    Communist, open borders ,woman's rights secular activist Maryam Namazie was no plattfomed from Warwick University. I don't agree with all she says but ,she's certainly no facist.

    ''News from Warwick Atheists, Secularists and Humanists

    This article was posted by Warwick Atheists, Secularists and Humanists. Articles posted by student sports clubs and societies may not necessarily represent the views of Warwick SU.

    Maryam Namazie barred from speaking at The University of Warwick

    Dear supporters

    As President of WASH, I feel that it is important that I comment about the recent controversy regarding the decision taken by The University of Warwick's Student Union to prohibit Maryam Namazie from speaking on campus. For those unfamiliar with Maryam, she is a secularist, a human-rights campaigner, and leader of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain - as well as being a friend of mine.

    After submitting a guest-speaker application to the SU, I received the following response explaining their decision to bar Maryam:

    "...after researching both her and her organisation, a number of flags have been raised. We have a duty of care to conduct a risk assessment for each speaker who wishes to come to campus.

    There a number of articles written both by the speaker and by others about the speaker that indicate that she is highly inflammatory, and could incite hatred on campus. This is in contravention of our external speaker policy:

    *must not incite hatred, violence or call for the breaking of the law

    *are not permitted to encourage, glorify or promote any acts of terrorism including individuals, groups or organisations that support such acts

    *must not spread hatred and intolerance in the community and thus aid in disrupting social and community harmony

    *must seek to avoid insulting other faiths or groups, within a framework of positive debate and challenge

    *are not permitted to raise or gather funds for any external organisation or cause without express permission of the trustees.

    In addition to this, there are concerns that if we place conditions on her attendance (such as making it a member only event and having security in attendance, asking for a transcript of what she intends to say, recording the speech) she will refuse to abide by these terms as she did for Trinity College Dublin:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2015/03/23/tcd-2/">
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    As a student of the University, I must confess that I cannot but help feel an element of embarrassment - as well as feeling that my society has been vitiated in light of the encroachment on the strong secular and free-speech principles that the society espouses. We have appealed the decision and we will submit a further post detailing the outcome in due course. The restriction of free-thought and non-violent free-speech is the most dangerous of all subversions, a subversion that is only amplified in light of the fact that Maryam has always campaigned against violence and discrimination and has done so passionately for many years - something that should have been taken on board when the SU's assessment was made. Maryam often describes the true facts concerning her own experiences and those of people she works with in relation to radical forms of Islam - not all forms of Islam, just those pernicious, radical strands of the religion - things that most peaceful Muslims would also condemn. I must profess that if those facts are an incitement of hatred - which I most definitely believe they are not - then the solution is to change the way people are treated in certain faith communities, not to insist Maryam lie about her life through censorship. As Maryam stated in her blog:

    "The Student Union seems to lack an understanding of the difference between criticising religion, an idea, or a far-Right political movement on the one hand and attacking and inciting hate against people on the other. Inciting hatred is what the Islamists do; I and my organisation challenge them and defend the rights of ex-Muslims, Muslims and others to dissent."

    And, what is more:

    "The Student Union position is of course nothing new. It is the predominant post-modernist “Left” point of view that conflates Islam, Muslims and Islamists, homogenises the “Muslim community”, thinks believers are one and the same as the religious-Right and sides with the Islamist narrative against its many dissenters [...]This type of politics denies universalism, sees rights as ‘western,’ justifies the suppression of women’s rights, freedoms and equality under the guise of respect for other ‘cultures’ imputing on innumerable people the most reactionary elements of culture and religion, which is that of the religious-Right. In this type of politics, the oppressor is victim, the oppressed are perpetrators of “hatred”, and any criticism is racist."

    The infringement of free-speech is becoming insidiously ubiquitous, and many universities, including The University of Warwick, are circumventing the freedom of speech in pursuit of inoffensive, sanitary narratives. As many of those at Warwick University know, few universities have sullied its free-speech as much as our university has. Spiked-Online's 'University Free-Speech Rankings' recently imputed the university with their infamous red-ranking, stating that:

    "The University of Warwick and Warwick Students' Union collectively create a hostile environment for free speech. The university, which has received an Amber ranking, restricts material that is 'likely to cause offence'. The students' union, which has received a Red ranking, has instituted bans on the Sun and theDaily Star, launched a campaign to have 'offensive' wallpaper in a local bar removed and banned 'prejudiced' entertainers from performing in the union. Due to the severity of the students' union's actions, the institution’s overall ranking is Red"

    I believe that we at the University of Warwick need to come together, as secularists, as students, revering the intellectual suffusion of ideas and dialectics, to construct a truly formidable voice of opposition for the sake of those beloved principles that we promote. Lest we forget: “censorships exist to prevent anyone from challenging current conceptions and existing institutions. All progress is initiated by challenging current conceptions, and executed by supplanting existing institutions. Consequently, the first condition of progress is the removal of censorship” – George Bernard Shaw



    -Benjamin David

    (President of Warwick Atheists, Secularists and Humanists). ''

    Another example .Here's a video of some tolerant students attempts to disrupt and intimidate this facist Iranian communist,secular, woman's / human rights campaigner , giving a talk at Goldsmith University. The university's feminist society stood in solidarity with the Islamist hecklers


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